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Wrong War and Wrong counrty
Emergency money note of the municipality Moosch (Oberelsass) of 1 Mark
without date signed by Burgermeister Hoffmann The American Numismatic society database has the following info 0000.999.54585: Dept.: MO Obj.Type: P Reference: Keller., Dt. Notgeld von 1914, J-Z, p. 132-133. Region: Germany Locality: Moosch Mint: Material: P Denom.: 1 Mark Category: Notgeld Person: Dynasty: Issuer: Moosch Gemeinde ObvLegd: Black print on white paper, one stamp of local authority (purple ink), one handwritten signature of mayor. Color: White. OtherInfo.: 1914 The German Web site URL below says the note as pictued is 1914 and WWI http://translate.google.com/translat...l%3Den%26lr%3D I have a 1 Mark note from the same series as ANS and the10 Mark on the Web Site. BUT THERE IS A PROBLEM - How I received two copies of this note. About 40 years ago, when I first became interested in numismatics, I joined my local coin club. One meeting with my wife also attending, a jewish member got up and told a story. He said be had been in a German WW2 concentration camp. When the Americans came at the end of the war, as he was rescued, he went in the office and took a stack (50-100) of 1 Mark notes. He said they used this paper money at the camp. He gave each of us one of these notes. When you look at the DE MOOSCH purple stamp you can see that the center shows a French Liberty like our Stature of Liberty. The internet tells me Moosch is in France in the Alsace area. Another site quotes " Struthof, the only KZ established in France, it has the character of a death camp then that of a concentration camp ". Le Struthof, internationally it seem better know under the name Natzwiller. Natzwiller was used as a camp for amoung others French Resistance Fighters. Wrong War and wrong country? Is this note WWI 1914 Germany Emergancy Money or is it WWII 1944-5 Concentration Camp money? Roger deWardt Lane, Hollywood, Florida |
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TheDimeMan wrote:
Wrong War and wrong country? Is this note WWI 1914 Germany Emergancy Money or is it WWII 1944-5 Concentration Camp money? The former. Moosch is in Haut-Rhin (near Mulhouse), Alsace. Between 1871 and 1918 that area was German, then it became French - which may explain why a German 1914 notgeld note has a French language stamp. Cannot really recognize the drawing on that stamp, just bits of the text. The Struthof concentration camp was in Bas-Rhin, a different part of Alsace (near Strasbourg). Hard to imagine that such an old notgeld note from Moosch would still or again be in use 30 years later in a camp that is not exactly close. Now "internal" money was indeed used in various (all?) concentration camps; see the "Notausgaben und Lagergeld des Zweiten Weltkriegs" link. But this one? I don't think so ... Christian |
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Christian Feldhaus Please look at the group alt.binaries.pictures.numismatic I posted a picture of a French post card with the same postal cancellation for Moosch has on the 1 Mark notes, etc. Looks like the Germans used the post office cancellation stamp on this money. Still do not understand the story told at our meeting by the former prisoner at the Concentration Camp that was using Moosch 1 Mark money and was able to get large quantity when he was released in 1944-45 Roger deWardt Lane |
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TheDimeMan wrote:
Please look at the group alt.binaries.pictures.numismatic Sorry, I don't get that group here ... Christian |
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Christian, you will find that in the newsgroup listings that you can
subscribe to. I did not find it the other day on that list, so I ran Reset List and got it back, then subscribed. Be patient, the list has over 120,000 groups, and it took about ten minutes to download. Tony "Christian Feldhaus" wrote in message d... TheDimeMan wrote: Please look at the group alt.binaries.pictures.numismatic Sorry, I don't get that group here ... Christian ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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In article "A.E. Gelat" writes:
"Christian Feldhaus" wrote in message d... TheDimeMan wrote: Please look at the group alt.binaries.pictures.numismatic Sorry, I don't get that group here ... .... Christian, you will find that in the newsgroup listings that you can subscribe to. You are confused. Christian probably uses an ISP that does not carry that group. I am quite certain that the news server where I read (my employer) does not carry that group (as it does not carry any alt group). -- dik t. winter, cwi, kruislaan 413, 1098 sj amsterdam, nederland, +31205924131 home: bovenover 215, 1025 jn amsterdam, nederland; http://www.cwi.nl/~dik/ |
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A.E. Gelat wrote:
Christian, you will find that in the newsgroup listings that you can subscribe to. I did not find it the other day on that list, so I ran Reset List and got it back, then subscribed. Be patient, the list has over 120,000 groups, and it took about ten minutes to download. Hm, I am pretty darn sure that my ISP does not carry any groups with binaries ;-) But I got the picture anyway (thanks, DimeMan). More later. Christian |
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Christian Feldhaus wrote:
Hm, I am pretty darn sure that my ISP does not carry any groups with binaries ;-) But I got the picture anyway (thanks, DimeMan). More later. Well, all I could find out about this note is that it has a lot to do with WW1, but I do not see any connection to WW2 and nazi concentration camps. Here is an (ended) auction of a post card which has the same postal and city stamps as your note: http://cgi.ebay.ch/FRANCE-WWI-1916-o...H_W0QQitemZ562 6214155QQcategoryZ3514QQcmdZViewItem (or) http://tinylink.com/?uXiF4RdbTU So at that time Moosch was "de iure" still German but "de facto" already French, hence the language mix on your notgeld. Now why anybody would come across this many years later and at a different place, I still have no idea, sorry. Christian |
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