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Old January 31st 04, 11:49 PM
Tracy Barber
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:26:04 +0100, "Victor Manta"
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"A.E. Gelat" wrote in message
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"Victor Manta" wrote in message
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"DROGER Jean-Paul" wrote in message
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I prefer used stamps, when it is possible!
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I find it is easier to protect and keep safe a used stamp collection,
you have no problem with gum and moistry!!
--
Jean-Paul DROGER

It is maybe easier to protect the used stamps, but are we always

searching
for just the easiest way? If so, then the easiest way is to not collect
stamps at all. (V.M.)


Victor, don't take the extreme view. The subject is collecting stamps the
easiest way, so your comment about not collecting at all is not relevant.

Tony


For many people collecting (quite anything) is more interesting when there
is a challenge in it. A challenge can be to find something nice, special,
unique, but can also be to properly protect those precious things that were
found with some effort.


Yes, protect them. Especially if they have the knowledge that down
the road, how they protected them was adequate or inadequate. Maybe
tell them right from the start that these are some of the pitfalls, or
let them suffer if they run into those issues?

I guess this --- IS --- a good question.

Do we tell a newbie that collecting mint stamps may have some
downfalls and you need to be prepared for these fromt he start?

-OR-

Do we tell newbies nothing, let them find out themselves and then cop
an attitude at the hobby mid-stream and give up?

The easiest way often means to me no challenge, if so no interest, therefore
no reasons to collect, and vice-versa. I wonder if there is something wrong
with this line of reasoning.


If there's a challenge collecting mint stamps, I haven't seen much for
it - other than finding the stamp itself. You buy a mint stamp, you
mount it and maybe protect it, depending on humidity, heat, cold,
mold, fungus, etc. Then you get to look at it.

The challenge, for me, is to find used copies of said stamps - which,
by the way, are not as common most times as the mint originals in some
areas.

Further, doing studies on said cancellations is a SERIOUS aspect of
it. Nothing easy or non-challenging about that. Postal history deals
with some mint items but moreso, canceled items.

Actually, it can be necessary to learn for which reasons somebody left the
stamp collecting. If he left it because he found that it is difficult to
properly protect the stamps that he likes, then the subject is quite
relevant, isn't it?


But that's not what you were pertaining to above, Victor. If someone
leaves collecting because they feel it's too difficult, that's their
prerogative. Not everyone is up to a bunch of work that we all look
forward to when we collect. I absolutely love viewing flyspeck
varieties that would drive someone else nuts.

I think you took the mint vs. used debate just a bit out of context
here. -OR- you went off on another subject and I must have missed
it. :^)

Anyway, of course anyone should collect what they like. Period. I'd
like an answer about what I mentioned about the newbie, if anyone is
up for it.

[ Lately, it seems a lot of deaf ears here or what? -OR- maybe I'm not
speaking loud enough. Could be, I guess... ]

Tracy Barber
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Old February 1st 04, 01:35 AM
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Neener, neener, neener! Scroll waaaaaayyyyyyyy down...

Tracy Barber wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:18:32 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
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Neener - bottom posted responseVVVVVBG!!!



Neener, neener! Bottom posting reply.


Tracy Barber wrote:


On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 18:00:30 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
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I'm curious, as to whether you collect mint or used stamps for your
primary country(s)? I collect used mainly but do snag a few mint ones
here and there if the price is right.


I try to focus on decent used copies, because mint seems heavily
overrated.

Many mint stamps will stay in my collection, mostly because they look
nice -OR- they cannot be found in used condition, such as WWII Vichy
France & colonies. BUT! They cause much more trouble than they're
worth, such as:

[Take with as many grains of salt as you must, it ain't pretty below.]

1) Fingerprints - the infamous "oil" that purists talk about. Ruins a
many MNH stamp. With my used stamps, I truly don't care. (Well, not
all that much anyway.) Because? I can always soak the sucker again.

[For the most part, except for fugitive, aniline or chalky inks /
coatings anyway.]

2) Mounts instead of hinges cost WAY MUCH MORE money. As in
cha-ching! This is money that can be used to buy more stamps or have
a good weekend, instead of mounting some obscure country that will
never increase in value. (Aside form aesthetic value...) (One reason
I haven't mounted much yet.)

[When hinges become more expensive than mounts, I'll switch over.]

3) Hinged mint stamps stink. They ______ dead bears. (Don't ask,
mountain boy language.) You always have to decide whether to soak the
suckers or keep the nasty wasty ugly wugly (stupidly ingnorantly
multiple massively hinge and almost damaged type) crap on the back of
the stamp, for fear of ruining OG.

[Read- U-G-L-Y]

4) Some of these suckers will curl. And I mean C-U-R-L. Sometimes
this curl will try the patience of a saint.

[Boing!]

5) Stuck downs - even with mounts. If you're not truly blessed with
mounts and mounting abilities, you'll achieve the beautiful mint stamp
with stuck down corners. I think you all know what I mean.

[I'll get you suckers off that album page, you watch and see!!!]

6) Used stamps are not mounted gum up. :^P

[Nuff Said.]

7) Some gum on mint stamps has an acidic base. This will eventually
destroy the stamp.

[As per our recent discussion.]

8) Toning / foxing / mold will love to inhabit a mint stamp
collection. Yum, yum. Once you soak the gum, the poor beasties will
still have remnants of said "stamp / paper disease", albeit will be a
bit more lenient in having an effect on the other stamps nearby.

[Especially tropical gums.]

9) Folds / creases / breakage. Akin to curling above. Some gum is so
nasty wasty that when you touch them, they may crease and create a
situation where you stamp may truly break apart.

[Always happens to the best stamp of the set.]

10) Mint stamps have not done postal duty.

[Nuff Said.]

Well, I think I've beaten up mint stamps for today, Grandpa. 10-4,
for sure, good buddy. Come back?

Tracy Barber


Methinks you and hinges have a carnal dislike for each otherG.



Methinks I like hinges and have trouble with mints and mounts!

Tracy Barber


Me thinks I like bottom posted replies - sometimes!

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Old February 1st 04, 01:39 AM
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The one exception is that I do buy Canadian year sets which, unfortunately,
are mint.


I think this would be a good exception. If you're going through the
expense of buying a new stamp set, why not keep it that way.

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Old February 1st 04, 01:41 AM
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Victor Manta wrote:

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Being mainly a topical stamp collector, I have good reasons to prefer mint
stamps. As an example, a stamp showing Mona Lisa without a cancel over her
smile looks better to me than otherwise.


Another good exception, Art on Stamps. Somehoe I cannot envision the
beauty of Mona Lisa with wavy lines on it. Art in this context screams
for mint I think. What little topical I do (ships) they are just fine
with cancellations on them.


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Old February 1st 04, 01:54 AM
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Victor Manta wrote:


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For many people collecting (quite anything) is more interesting when there
is a challenge in it. A challenge can be to find something nice, special,
unique, but can also be to properly protect those precious things that were
found with some effort.


For me part of the challenge is the hunt, but mostly its knowing that I
have the thing I was looking for in my possession. I've some coins,
nothing of value, just like my stamps, however having something old that
has passed the years in use brings me great pleasure. Thinking of who
may have handled a certain coin or stamp, where it went and what it was
used for is something I ponder at times. I get more pleasure from that
and looking at old thngs than anything else really.

The easiest way often means to me no challenge, if so no interest, therefore
no reasons to collect, and vice-versa. I wonder if there is something wrong
with this line of reasoning.


Nothing wrong with it if thats how you feel. Myself, I'm more nterested
in the end result, which is almost always the cheaper way moneywise. I
can derive just as much if not more pleasure from looking at an old used
coin or stamp than a new one, unless I really want to closely analize it.

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Old February 1st 04, 02:40 AM
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:35:56 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
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Neener, neener, neener! Scroll waaaaaayyyyyyyy down...


OK, grandpa, go soak some stamps! :^P

Tracy Barber
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Old February 1st 04, 02:40 AM
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:39:41 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
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Frank Emanuel wrote:

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The one exception is that I do buy Canadian year sets which, unfortunately,
are mint.


I think this would be a good exception. If you're going through the
expense of buying a new stamp set, why not keep it that way.


Yup. Agreed. No need to hinge those suckers if at all possible.

Tracy Barber
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Old February 1st 04, 02:40 AM
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"Victor Manta" wrote in message
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"A.E. Gelat" wrote in message
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"Victor Manta" wrote in message
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"DROGER Jean-Paul" wrote in message
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I prefer used stamps, when it is possible!
snip
I find it is easier to protect and keep safe a used stamp

collection,
you have no problem with gum and moistry!!
--
Jean-Paul DROGER

It is maybe easier to protect the used stamps, but are we always

searching
for just the easiest way? If so, then the easiest way is to not

collect
stamps at all. (V.M.)


Victor, don't take the extreme view. The subject is collecting stamps

the
easiest way, so your comment about not collecting at all is not

relevant.

Tony


For many people collecting (quite anything) is more interesting when there
is a challenge in it. A challenge can be to find something nice, special,
unique, but can also be to properly protect those precious things that

were
found with some effort.

The easiest way often means to me no challenge, if so no interest,

therefore
no reasons to collect, and vice-versa. I wonder if there is something

wrong
with this line of reasoning.


Victor, what I was commenting about is that the poster wanted the easiest
way TO COLLECT, therefore not collecting was not a proper answer.

Tony

Actually, it can be necessary to learn for which reasons somebody left the
stamp collecting. If he left it because he found that it is difficult to
properly protect the stamps that he likes, then the subject is quite
relevant, isn't it?

Victor Manta



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Old February 1st 04, 02:42 AM
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On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:35:56 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
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Neener, neener, neener! Scroll waaaaaayyyyyyyy down...


BTW, quit neenering and answer my original response to the topic, old
timer! :^P

Tracy Barber
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Old February 1st 04, 04:16 AM
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Tracy Barber wrote:

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:35:56 -0700, Grandpa jsdebooATcomcast.net
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Neener, neener, neener! Scroll waaaaaayyyyyyyy down...



OK, grandpa, go soak some stamps! :^P


Thats the nicest thng I've heard all day, wife thinks I should go soak
my head!

 




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