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In an earlier message "David F." wrote:
Inflation-era revenue stamps exist in denominations up to 10 billion marks - that's 10,000,000,000,000 or 10 trillion to English speakers. Not in my experience! The highest 1923 issue was 50 Billion (50,000,000,000) Marks. I am English and as long as I can remember, a Billion is written as 1,000,000,000 - one thousand million. I think your zero's are on overload! The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where 1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos. Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi www.jaypex.com Oooooh! Don't get me started on another collection!!! I love those 1923 Inflation issues! I didn't know about the others! HELP ME TRACY!! David 8-o The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word. Ein milliarden is a US billion. The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000 Once again the two countries are separated by a common language.... -- Tony Clayton or Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html Values of Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC .... It's not in the manual !!!!! |
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"Tracy Barber" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:56:31 +0100, (Tony Clayton) wrote: In an earlier message "David F." wrote: Inflation-era revenue stamps exist in denominations up to 10 billion marks - that's 10,000,000,000,000 or 10 trillion to English speakers. Not in my experience! The highest 1923 issue was 50 Billion (50,000,000,000) Marks. I am English and as long as I can remember, a Billion is written as 1,000,000,000 - one thousand million. I think your zero's are on overload! The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where 1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos. Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi www.jaypex.com Oooooh! Don't get me started on another collection!!! I love those 1923 Inflation issues! I didn't know about the others! HELP ME TRACY!! David 8-o The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word. Ein milliarden is a US billion. The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000 Once again the two countries are separated by a common language.... No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^) OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms": 1,000 1,000,000 1,000,000,000 1,000,000,000,000 1,000,000,000,000,000 If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Thanks. Tracy Barber Here is an easy way to unfathomed those Brits: The "lion" is the clue: it is the suffix, in millions, of the prefix. Thus million = One million (10^6) Billion = bi (two) One million million (10^12) Trillion = tri (three) One million million millon (10^18) Quadrillion = quad (four) One million million miilion million (10^24). Therefore, 1,000,000,000 = One thousand million (10^9) 1,000,000,000,000.000 = One thousand billion (10^15) The answer to the question Is this a trillion, is yes, because it has 15 zeroes. Tony |
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"Tracy Barber" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:30:09 +0100, "David F." wrote: The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word. Ein milliarden is a US billion. The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000 Once again the two countries are separated by a common language.... No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^) OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms": 1,000 1,000,000 1,000,000,000 1,000,000,000,000 1,000,000,000,000,000 If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Thanks. Tracy Barber Well, I am English, born in London in 1956, and lived here all my life. I have never referred to a Billion as anything other than 10^9 (=1,000,000,000). 1,000 = thousand Thought so... 1,000,000 = million Thought so... 1,000,000,000 = billion Thought so... 1,000,000,000,000 = trillion Thought so... 1,000,000,000,000,000 = zillion(?) Quadrillion? By the way, what is a Quadrillion? I've head it a few times in the past! Maybe? Tracy Barber Zillion, like umpteen, is a slang word; it has no mathematical meaning, it just means numerous and unknown. Tony. |
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"Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in message
news:i799b.444873$YN5.300505@sccrnsc01... snip Jay Carrigan P.S. to Victor Manta - You somehow changed my "10 to the 21st power" into 10^12. 10^21 is correct. It wasn't somehow, but by the elementary calculation, already presented earlier: "I suppose that you speak about the Sc. 784 (Michel 942). Its value seems to be 5 Millions Adopengos. Because 1 Adopengo = 10**12 (ten at the power of 12) pengos, then 5 Millions Adopengos = 5 * (10**6) * (10**12) = 5 * 10**18 pengos = = 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos " Could you please tell me what is wrong with this calculation, or, alternatively, how do you came to your estimation of 10**21? TIA. BTW, I had the impression that you weren't sure about your own result ("(hope I get this right") and, for this reason, I made the calculation. Anyway, I don't see how can you get the 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos of something that starts with a "5" and not with a "10". I mean by this the value of the stamp, that is certainly 5 (!) Millions Adopengos - as long as we speak about the same Hungary Scott 784 (Michel 942). Just to mention that your final estimation: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seems to be 10**28 and not 10**21. Victor Manta --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org Art on Stamps: http://values.ch Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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In an earlier message Tracy Barber wrote:
The English billion is a million million, but this usage has been obscured by increasing use of the American meaning of a thousand million in the media. As a result few Brits know the true meaning of the word. Ein milliarden is a US billion. The English trillion is a million million million i.e. 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 The US trillion is the English billion i.e. 1,000,000,000,000 Once again the two countries are separated by a common language.... No wonder they didn't want the Euro! :^) OK, then - what are these in "Brit terms": 1,000 thousand 1,000,000 million 1,000,000,000 thousand million 1,000,000,000,000 billion 1,000,000,000,000,000 thousand billion If this is a trillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 Thanks. Tracy Barber -- Tony Clayton or Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html Values of Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC .... None of you exists, my sysop types all this in! |
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In an earlier message "David F." wrote:
Well, I am English, born in London in 1956, and lived here all my life. I have never referred to a Billion as anything other than 10^9 (=1,000,000,000). I think that confirms my point about US influence post-war. Have a look in the dictionary. 1,000 = thousand 1,000,000 = million 1,000,000,000 = billion 1,000,000,000,000 = trillion 1,000,000,000,000,000 = zillion(?) By the way, what is a Quadrillion? 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 in the UK (a million to the power 4) 1,000,000,000,000,000 in the US (a thousand to the power 5) a*zillion is an indefinite large number.... -- Tony Clayton or Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html Values of Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC .... ASCII stupid question... get a stupid ANSI! |
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Michel (after no. 942):
"adopengo = Steuer-Pengo = 2 Trilliarden (2x10^21) Pengo" Magyar Posta- es Illetekbelyeg Katalogus (before no.979): "1 adopengo = 2 x 10^21 pengo (ketezer trillio pengo)" So to express 1 adopengo in pengo, write 2 followed by 21 zeros. To express 5 million adopengo in pengo, write 1 followed by 28 zeros, i.e. 5x(10^6) x 2x(10^21) = 10x(10^27) = 10^28. Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi www.jaypex.com In article , says... "Jay T. Carrigan" wrote in message news:i799b.444873$YN5.300505@sccrnsc01... snip Jay Carrigan P.S. to Victor Manta - You somehow changed my "10 to the 21st power" into 10^12. 10^21 is correct. It wasn't somehow, but by the elementary calculation, already presented earlier: "I suppose that you speak about the Sc. 784 (Michel 942). Its value seems to be 5 Millions Adopengos. Because 1 Adopengo = 10**12 (ten at the power of 12) pengos, then 5 Millions Adopengos = 5 * (10**6) * (10**12) = 5 * 10**18 pengos = = 5,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos " Could you please tell me what is wrong with this calculation, or, alternatively, how do you came to your estimation of 10**21? TIA. BTW, I had the impression that you weren't sure about your own result ("(hope I get this right") and, for this reason, I made the calculation. Anyway, I don't see how can you get the 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos of something that starts with a "5" and not with a "10". I mean by this the value of the stamp, that is certainly 5 (!) Millions Adopengos - as long as we speak about the same Hungary Scott 784 (Michel 942). Just to mention that your final estimation: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 seems to be 10**28 and not 10**21. Victor Manta --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Philatelic Webmasters Organization: http://pwmo.org Art on Stamps: http://values.ch Romania Shown by Its Stamps: http://marci-postale.com Communism on Stamps: http://www.values.ch/Communism/ Spanish Africa: http://www.values.ch/sna-site/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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In article 9uQ8b.441878$uu5.78689@sccrnsc04,
Jay T. Carrigan wrote: The 1946 inflation in Hungary can top that. The highest denomination postage stamp was 5 million adopengos (where 1 adopengo = 2 times 10 to the 21st power), or (hope I get this right) 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pengos. At the APS Stampshow in Columbus, Ohio last month I saw an exhibit of the Hungarian hyperinflation stamps. It featured a cover bearing a single copy of that 5 million ap stamp. I took a picture of it and am looking at it right now in another window. The annotation reads: "THE LARGEST DENOMINATION DEFINITIVE STAMP EVER ISSUED LAST DAY OF HYPERINFLATION With 'Single' usage only two covers are recorded. [cover] Stamp in use only 6 days. (July 26-31, 1946.) Paid rate 4,800,000 adopengo with overpayment 200,000 ap. Translated from adopengo to pengo 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Posted on the last day of inflation July 31, 1946. Registered letter to Austria. U.S. Army censor." -- Jon Bell Presbyterian College Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA |
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