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Old July 5th 05, 07:53 PM
Angrie.Woman
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Default From the Provasek (prosovek prozacset - whatever) school of marketing.

(This is long - more of a rant, really.)

Is it loony season? I got this from an ebayer I bought from once - a
zillion years ago.



" Thank You for your recent ebay purchase we would like to direct you to
our site www.*******andelectronic.citymaker.com we offer everything
that we had on ebay at cheaper rates without the auction hassle

"THANKS
M**"


The silly semi-literate wench didn't even use a BCC list. So, I replied
to all, with

"Please join me in reporting this person to eBay, AOL and Spamcop for
spamming us. Her provider will fine her $50 per validated report.

"AOL's address is .

"The link to report her on eBay is:
http://snipurl.com/g04b .

"Spamcop is located at www.spamcop.net.

"Do you really want to do more business with a spammer? Especially one
that just passed out your email addresses, like she did?

"Angela *****
Hoffman Estates, IL
eBay's *****
***-***-**** (phone)"

The $50 per report is part of her TOS with citymaker.com. The beauty is
that they bill it directly to her credit card. So, I expected to get a
nasty note from the spammer, but this is what I got. Sent again to all
the addresses.

D & D White wrote:

Angela,

Please do not be offended by my comments, as I do not have ill feelings
toward your message.

Personally, I have no problem with this company. In fact, your complaint
caused me to go to their web site, and buy three items that looked

like very
good values!

Everyone,

I will appreciate it if you delete my email from this "chain." I also
appreciate the right to keep "spam" out of your inbox, just as I

endeavor to
do. However, one person's spam, can be another person's link to

acquiring
products and services. There are numerous ways to block undesirable

email,
thus eliminate anything you regard as spam. I do this all the time.

Best regards, and God Bless the most awesome nation on the planet, on

this
important day in world history!!!


(signed)
D


The "I bought 3 items!" makes me suspect that the spammer is associated
with this account. However, because it seems to be written better, I do
not think it is the spammer.

(It was dated July 4th.) Apparently s/he likes to sort spam! I'm so
tempted...oh, never mind. This really is just a bit of silliness. I have
too many other things to do.

So, because the very nature of being me dictates that I have to, I
respond to the whole list:

Well, perhaps if she had actually *sent* me the item I paid for I

would feel differently about her.

And by the way, Spam is defined as unsolicited commercial email. If

you bought from her as a result of her email, you're part of the reason
that people like her fill our boxes up with junk that we have to

block! Me, I'm determined to dissaude the other 872 sellers I've dealt
with on eBay from deciding to spam me, too.

Perhaps it is best if you just block *my* emails. If you don't want to
hear from me, blame the spammer. After all, she's the one who passed
out your address to the rest of the world.


The best part about this is that the spammer's site is quickly becoming
associated with a bunch of goofs. Nobody cares if she sent me my stuff,
but hopefully they'll get a sub conscious bad taste in their mouth just
because they're caught up in an email discussion between dumb (me) and
dumber ("D").


This morning, I got this from "D."

Hello, Angela!


Hopefully, you paid for your item with a credit card, or with a VISA

or MC debit card that your bank allows you to treat as a credit card.
Assuming the charge was put through for your purchase, simply notify
your bank that you never received the merchandise, and they will

credit your account. It's an easy process, and it's why I never allow
a debit out of my checking account for the Paypal purchases I make.
Knowing that I am protected like that, gives me some peace of mind when
I encounter situations like you have encountered.

She is obviously an amateur entrepreneur. I sent a second private

note to her that had she "bcc" everyone, she would have isolated angry
folks, plus, she would not have compromised her mailing list to
competitors, and potentially given my email out to a lot of bad
players. A lot of people don't understand the value of using "bcc" in
emails to protect addresses. When "bcc" is used, each others'

addresses are invisible to the "chain."

I have a great firewall, and anti-spam protection and am very

satisfied with most of the mail that hits my inbox (it's called
"F-Secure in case you are interested in a powerful firewall, virus and
spam blocker). I do get some bad stuff on occasion - the ebay and
PayPal scams are the worst. On the other hand, my office email is
flooded every day with pornographic garbage, college degree offers,
medicines and other spam that my employer has failed to block. That's
the stuff that gets me bent out of shape.

I enjoy a good "cause" as you seem to, as well. I just didn't have a
problem with her.


There is spam, and then there is spam......... In this case, my name
was on the list simply because I had made a previous purchase - that

is not the kind of spam that drives me crazy. Again, I suggest, if you
have not already done so, to start using blocking software, etc.


I won't block your email, unless you tell me you are on some sort of
nutty vendetta, which I doubt. You seem like a nice person, and
someone that will not abuse my email. I enjoy an occasional exchange
with folks I don't know.That, by the way, does not mean I will retain
your email address. By the time the dust settles, and the messages

get deleted, I will no longer have it.

Regards,


Dave


ok....I don't know *what* to make of that. But who here thought that "D"
was a female? Maybe you had to see all the flags and smilies in the
original HTML to get that, plus the spammer is a scrapbooking supplies
seller. In the any event, I'm not replying. It was just to me, not the
group. Unless he was BCCing the group. .

I'm still hoping for a reply from the original spammer. If my previous
communications with her are any indication, she's not much in the
personality department.

A


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  #2  
Old July 5th 05, 08:05 PM
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Angrie.Woman wrote:
(This is long - more of a rant, really.)

Is it loony season? I got this from an ebayer I bought from once - a
zillion years ago.



" Thank You for your recent ebay purchase we would like to direct you to
our site www.*******andelectronic.citymaker.com we offer everything
that we had on ebay at cheaper rates without the auction hassle

"THANKS
M**"


The silly semi-literate wench didn't even use a BCC list. So, I replied
to all, with

"Please join me in reporting this person to eBay, AOL and Spamcop for
spamming us. Her provider will fine her $50 per validated report.

"AOL's address is .

"The link to report her on eBay is:
http://snipurl.com/g04b .

"Spamcop is located at www.spamcop.net.

"Do you really want to do more business with a spammer? Especially one
that just passed out your email addresses, like she did?

"Angela *****
Hoffman Estates, IL
eBay's *****
***-***-**** (phone)"

The $50 per report is part of her TOS with citymaker.com. The beauty is
that they bill it directly to her credit card. So, I expected to get a
nasty note from the spammer, but this is what I got. Sent again to all
the addresses.

D & D White wrote:

Angela,

Please do not be offended by my comments, as I do not have ill feelings
toward your message.

Personally, I have no problem with this company. In fact, your complaint
caused me to go to their web site, and buy three items that looked

like very
good values!

Everyone,

I will appreciate it if you delete my email from this "chain." I also
appreciate the right to keep "spam" out of your inbox, just as I

endeavor to
do. However, one person's spam, can be another person's link to

acquiring
products and services. There are numerous ways to block undesirable

email,
thus eliminate anything you regard as spam. I do this all the time.

Best regards, and God Bless the most awesome nation on the planet, on

this
important day in world history!!!


(signed)
D


The "I bought 3 items!" makes me suspect that the spammer is associated
with this account. However, because it seems to be written better, I do
not think it is the spammer.

(It was dated July 4th.) Apparently s/he likes to sort spam! I'm so
tempted...oh, never mind. This really is just a bit of silliness. I have
too many other things to do.

So, because the very nature of being me dictates that I have to, I
respond to the whole list:

Well, perhaps if she had actually *sent* me the item I paid for I

would feel differently about her.

And by the way, Spam is defined as unsolicited commercial email. If

you bought from her as a result of her email, you're part of the reason
that people like her fill our boxes up with junk that we have to

block! Me, I'm determined to dissaude the other 872 sellers I've dealt
with on eBay from deciding to spam me, too.

Perhaps it is best if you just block *my* emails. If you don't want to
hear from me, blame the spammer. After all, she's the one who passed
out your address to the rest of the world.


The best part about this is that the spammer's site is quickly becoming
associated with a bunch of goofs. Nobody cares if she sent me my stuff,
but hopefully they'll get a sub conscious bad taste in their mouth just
because they're caught up in an email discussion between dumb (me) and
dumber ("D").


This morning, I got this from "D."

Hello, Angela!


Hopefully, you paid for your item with a credit card, or with a VISA

or MC debit card that your bank allows you to treat as a credit card.
Assuming the charge was put through for your purchase, simply notify
your bank that you never received the merchandise, and they will

credit your account. It's an easy process, and it's why I never allow
a debit out of my checking account for the Paypal purchases I make.
Knowing that I am protected like that, gives me some peace of mind when
I encounter situations like you have encountered.

She is obviously an amateur entrepreneur. I sent a second private

note to her that had she "bcc" everyone, she would have isolated angry
folks, plus, she would not have compromised her mailing list to
competitors, and potentially given my email out to a lot of bad
players. A lot of people don't understand the value of using "bcc" in
emails to protect addresses. When "bcc" is used, each others'

addresses are invisible to the "chain."

I have a great firewall, and anti-spam protection and am very

satisfied with most of the mail that hits my inbox (it's called
"F-Secure in case you are interested in a powerful firewall, virus and
spam blocker). I do get some bad stuff on occasion - the ebay and
PayPal scams are the worst. On the other hand, my office email is
flooded every day with pornographic garbage, college degree offers,
medicines and other spam that my employer has failed to block. That's
the stuff that gets me bent out of shape.

I enjoy a good "cause" as you seem to, as well. I just didn't have a
problem with her.


There is spam, and then there is spam......... In this case, my name
was on the list simply because I had made a previous purchase - that

is not the kind of spam that drives me crazy. Again, I suggest, if you
have not already done so, to start using blocking software, etc.


I won't block your email, unless you tell me you are on some sort of
nutty vendetta, which I doubt. You seem like a nice person, and
someone that will not abuse my email. I enjoy an occasional exchange
with folks I don't know.That, by the way, does not mean I will retain
your email address. By the time the dust settles, and the messages

get deleted, I will no longer have it.

Regards,


Dave


ok....I don't know *what* to make of that. But who here thought that "D"
was a female? Maybe you had to see all the flags and smilies in the
original HTML to get that, plus the spammer is a scrapbooking supplies
seller. In the any event, I'm not replying. It was just to me, not the
group. Unless he was BCCing the group. .

I'm still hoping for a reply from the original spammer. If my previous
communications with her are any indication, she's not much in the
personality department.

A


  #3  
Old July 6th 05, 02:55 AM
Bob and Dee
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"Angrie.Woman" wrote in message
nk.net...
(This is long - more of a rant, really.)

Is it loony season? I got this from an ebayer I bought from once - a
zillion years ago.



" Thank You for your recent ebay purchase we would like to direct you to
our site www.*******andelectronic.citymaker.com we offer everything
that we had on ebay at cheaper rates without the auction hassle

"THANKS
M**"


The only problem with dealing outside of e-Bay is that you lose the
protection that e-Bay provides. E-Bay warns its customers to avoid offers
to buy outside of their protection. But, then they don't get their listing
fee nor their selling fee. So what is their real incentive--your protection
or their money???

Robert


  #4  
Old July 6th 05, 03:10 PM
Gary Dorman
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Next time save yourself alot of time when you get an "unwanted"
email. Just press delete.

  #5  
Old July 6th 05, 03:19 PM
David Reed
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"BrotherBart" wrote in
news:chBye.13389$H64.4850@trnddc07:

And why are you spamming the group with this useless drivel which has
nothing to do with Mr. Provasek?


Go polish your coins and sit around thinking of the children Doormat.
After you get your head out of Frank's lap.






reported to
  #6  
Old July 6th 05, 03:46 PM
Angrie.Woman
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David Reed wrote:
Bertha wrote in :


On 5 Jul 2005 12:08:53 -0700, Gary Dorman garydorman8618


@sbcglobal.net

muttered something like:


And why are you spamming the group with this useless drivel which has
nothing to do with Mr. Provasek?


You must not have minded too much, since you reposted the entire


thing.

What she's describing is the same thing Frank has admitted to doing
himself; sending commercial solicitations to people via e-mail just
because they once bought something. Hence the reference in the


subject

line.

-Bertha



If you have a business relationship, it cannot be considered
spam. Check out the spam law.



I'd go to court on this premise: When I agreed to the eBay TOS, I saw
that it specifically forbids sellers from contacting me with aftermarket
crap. I maintain the agreement the seller signed with eBay is the same
one I signed, and they agreed not to email me when they signed up.
Therefore, there is a pre-existing contract we held in common, that
being the terms of the venue. So, you're breaking the terms of the
original deal we had agreed to before I even stumbled across your stupid
little auction when you send me an email. So it is SPAM.

Put that in your Chinese baby and smoke it, loser.

A


  #7  
Old July 7th 05, 05:53 PM
Frank Provasek
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I don't appreciate my name being brought up in this topic. Notice how an
AMOE
has posted this in RCC. Should we try to get their ISP accounts cancelled
for
interupting "our little newsgroup" as they say when we post there?

--
RARE COIN AUCTIONS NO MINIMUMS www.frankcoins.com
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfrankcoins Texas Auction License 11259
Board member of Texas Coin Dealers Association, Fort Worth Coin Club.
Member: Texas Numismatic Assoc, American Numismatic Assoc


  #8  
Old July 7th 05, 05:59 PM
Kenwood
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Frank Provasek wrote:
I don't appreciate my name being brought up in this topic. Notice how an
AMOE
has posted this in RCC. Should we try to get their ISP accounts cancelled
for
interupting "our little newsgroup" as they say when we post there?


Frank:

Do not waste your time. When I see their type of comments they go "POOF"
into my kill file. Never to be seen again.

It does appear that one needs a thick hide to view this news group. Its
to bad as %50 of the stuff posted here winds up in the kill file.

Frank

  #9  
Old July 7th 05, 09:33 PM
Wildwood
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"Frank Provasek" wrote in newsrdze.18796
:

Then why did you do it?


"Angrie.Woman" you up next, work it out now.

Frank Provasek wrote:
I don't appreciate my name being brought up in this topic.


Oh well.

Sucks to be you, I guess.


Yeah, I guess the truth hurts.

Bill
--
By working faithfully eight hours a day, you may eventually
get to be boss and work twelve hours a day. - Robert Frost
  #10  
Old July 7th 05, 10:14 PM
Kenwood
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David Reed wrote:
Kenwood wrote in news:ecdze.5764$3Y3.1780@trnddc09:



Frank:

Do not waste your time. When I see their type of comments they go
"POOF" into my kill file. Never to be seen again.

It does appear that one needs a thick hide to view this news group.
Its to bad as %50 of the stuff posted here winds up in the kill file.

Frank




I just want everyone to know that I have been a customer of Frank
Provasek for years and he is a very honest and ethical coin dealer. I
do not understand this vindetta against him.

I to have been a customer of Mr.Provasek but only for a few months.
He has been very good to do business with.
It seems there are those near-do-wells who have nothing in their life
but to find fault with others.

What has that to do with the coin hobby?

 




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