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Rangoon, Burma - India Abroad - Cancels On India Stamps - Scan Included
Howdy do - These are so-called India "Abroad" usages of Indian stamps. http://www.adirondack-pc.com/graphics/rangoon.jpg This seems to be an affliction that many countries had back then. Using another country's stamps within their borders. To quote a website: http://www.island.net/~rjbw/IndiaUA.html "As far as it is known, all the Indian stamps issued before 1937 can be found used in Burma. An interesting challenge for the persistent collector - especially if he/she avoids Rangoon!" hehehehe... A useful resource for those collecting India and surrounding areas. So, for those that are collecting used stamps, check the cancel. A gem may be under your tongs and you don't even know it. ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= |
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wrote in message ... Howdy do - These are so-called India "Abroad" usages of Indian stamps. http://www.adirondack-pc.com/graphics/rangoon.jpg This seems to be an affliction that many countries had back then. Using another country's stamps within their borders. To quote a website: http://www.island.net/~rjbw/IndiaUA.html "As far as it is known, all the Indian stamps issued before 1937 can be found used in Burma. An interesting challenge for the persistent collector - especially if he/she avoids Rangoon!" Tracy Burma was part of British India until independence, and no separate stamps were issued for Burma until 1937. Burma was little different from Pakistan in this respect. Your two examples do not therefore, qualify as "used abroad" - although of course Indian stamps were used for postage in many other territories in the Indian Ocean region that never were governed as part of British India. Regards, Roger |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:32 GMT, "Roger Smith"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Howdy do - These are so-called India "Abroad" usages of Indian stamps. http://www.adirondack-pc.com/graphics/rangoon.jpg This seems to be an affliction that many countries had back then. Using another country's stamps within their borders. To quote a website: http://www.island.net/~rjbw/IndiaUA.html "As far as it is known, all the Indian stamps issued before 1937 can be found used in Burma. An interesting challenge for the persistent collector - especially if he/she avoids Rangoon!" Tracy Burma was part of British India until independence, and no separate stamps were issued for Burma until 1937. Burma was little different from Pakistan in this respect. Your two examples do not therefore, qualify as "used abroad" - although of course Indian stamps were used for postage in many other territories in the Indian Ocean region that never were governed as part of British India. One thing, though to add to that... I may have gotten it wrong, but Burma (as we know it), had their own Postal Circle or some such in the late 1800s, as well as India having theirs. "Burma used Indian stamps up until its separation from India in 1937. Initially, Burma was part of the Bengal Circle Postal administration, but it formed its own Circle in 1871 and used the R-number coding in the Type 17 cancellations that came into use in 1873." Of course, the info may be wrong, but the web site seems pretty convincing. Used abroad may seem like something not attached to India. That's the connotation I've always used. At the web site, it seems anything outside of India proper. Anyway, there's a lot of work that can be done on stamps of this type. I also have some India stamps cancelled in Pondicherry, which was under French influence at the time. So, it seems mixing and matching was the flavor of the day. ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= |
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wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:32 GMT, "Roger Smith" wrote: wrote in message . .. Howdy do - These are so-called India "Abroad" usages of Indian stamps. http://www.adirondack-pc.com/graphics/rangoon.jpg This seems to be an affliction that many countries had back then. Using another country's stamps within their borders. To quote a website: http://www.island.net/~rjbw/IndiaUA.html "As far as it is known, all the Indian stamps issued before 1937 can be found used in Burma. An interesting challenge for the persistent collector - especially if he/she avoids Rangoon!" Tracy Burma was part of British India until independence, and no separate stamps were issued for Burma until 1937. Burma was little different from Pakistan in this respect. Your two examples do not therefore, qualify as "used abroad" - although of course Indian stamps were used for postage in many other territories in the Indian Ocean region that never were governed as part of British India. One thing, though to add to that... I may have gotten it wrong, but Burma (as we know it), had their own Postal Circle or some such in the late 1800s, as well as India having theirs. "Burma used Indian stamps up until its separation from India in 1937. Initially, Burma was part of the Bengal Circle Postal administration, but it formed its own Circle in 1871 and used the R-number coding in the Type 17 cancellations that came into use in 1873." Of course, the info may be wrong, but the web site seems pretty convincing. Used abroad may seem like something not attached to India. That's the connotation I've always used. At the web site, it seems anything outside of India proper. Anyway, there's a lot of work that can be done on stamps of this type. I also have some India stamps cancelled in Pondicherry, which was under French influence at the time. So, it seems mixing and matching was the flavor of the day. ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= Tracy All this is a fascinating subject for those with the resources to do it justice. Pondicherry was of course a French colony until 1954 so Indian stamps used there before that date could arguably be considered as "used abroad" but in this part of the world nothing is ever clear-cut. Regards, Roger |
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On Mon, 16 May 2005 21:33:46 GMT, "Roger Smith"
wrote: wrote in message .. . On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:32 GMT, "Roger Smith" wrote: wrote in message ... Howdy do - These are so-called India "Abroad" usages of Indian stamps. http://www.adirondack-pc.com/graphics/rangoon.jpg This seems to be an affliction that many countries had back then. Using another country's stamps within their borders. To quote a website: http://www.island.net/~rjbw/IndiaUA.html "As far as it is known, all the Indian stamps issued before 1937 can be found used in Burma. An interesting challenge for the persistent collector - especially if he/she avoids Rangoon!" Tracy Burma was part of British India until independence, and no separate stamps were issued for Burma until 1937. Burma was little different from Pakistan in this respect. Your two examples do not therefore, qualify as "used abroad" - although of course Indian stamps were used for postage in many other territories in the Indian Ocean region that never were governed as part of British India. One thing, though to add to that... I may have gotten it wrong, but Burma (as we know it), had their own Postal Circle or some such in the late 1800s, as well as India having theirs. "Burma used Indian stamps up until its separation from India in 1937. Initially, Burma was part of the Bengal Circle Postal administration, but it formed its own Circle in 1871 and used the R-number coding in the Type 17 cancellations that came into use in 1873." Of course, the info may be wrong, but the web site seems pretty convincing. Used abroad may seem like something not attached to India. That's the connotation I've always used. At the web site, it seems anything outside of India proper. Anyway, there's a lot of work that can be done on stamps of this type. I also have some India stamps cancelled in Pondicherry, which was under French influence at the time. So, it seems mixing and matching was the flavor of the day. ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= Tracy All this is a fascinating subject for those with the resources to do it justice. Pondicherry was of course a French colony until 1954 so Indian stamps used there before that date could arguably be considered as "used abroad" but in this part of the world nothing is ever clear-cut. Yup. Agreed. One can look out for cancels when one sorts out stamps. I have a HUGE bunch of India to look over and I'll be on guard for this type of cancel in the future. Newer stamps, past say 1950 would yield little because of the blurred cancels. Can anyone decipher any of it? Not only that, but much of the postal systems in place used distinct country postage about that time. Maybe some cross-border Pakistan / India blurring... Maybe Victor or Blair would know, but when did India join the UPU? Or does / did that matter, in this case? This just opens up yet another can of worms when dealing with older stamps. A fun one, nevertheless. :^) ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= |
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 02:35:56 GMT, (Jay T.
Carrigan) wrote: Sometimes it works the other way around. I just sold this Portuguese India (Scott 9) with a BOMBAY postmark - http://www.jaypex.com/sales/PI/PI010.jpg. Nice! That was the time period where the Portuguese official were lax in sending their cancel devices to Macao. In fact, they kept the 1st issues of stamps like the one you scanned, in a drawer for many years because of the "laxness". Interesting to learn this stuff firsthand, by seeing some of it instead of just hearing about it / looking at others collections all the time! Per the P. India stamp, those suckers have to be some of the hardest to deal with... Thanks! In article , says... On Mon, 16 May 2005 21:33:46 GMT, "Roger Smith" wrote: wrote in message ... On Mon, 16 May 2005 20:44:32 GMT, "Roger Smith" wrote: wrote in message om... Howdy do - These are so-called India "Abroad" usages of Indian stamps. http://www.adirondack-pc.com/graphics/rangoon.jpg This seems to be an affliction that many countries had back then. Using another country's stamps within their borders. To quote a website: http://www.island.net/~rjbw/IndiaUA.html "As far as it is known, all the Indian stamps issued before 1937 can be found used in Burma. An interesting challenge for the persistent collector - especially if he/she avoids Rangoon!" Tracy Burma was part of British India until independence, and no separate stamps were issued for Burma until 1937. Burma was little different from Pakistan in this respect. Your two examples do not therefore, qualify as "used abroad" - although of course Indian stamps were used for postage in many other territories in the Indian Ocean region that never were governed as part of British India. One thing, though to add to that... I may have gotten it wrong, but Burma (as we know it), had their own Postal Circle or some such in the late 1800s, as well as India having theirs. "Burma used Indian stamps up until its separation from India in 1937. Initially, Burma was part of the Bengal Circle Postal administration, but it formed its own Circle in 1871 and used the R-number coding in the Type 17 cancellations that came into use in 1873." Of course, the info may be wrong, but the web site seems pretty convincing. Used abroad may seem like something not attached to India. That's the connotation I've always used. At the web site, it seems anything outside of India proper. Anyway, there's a lot of work that can be done on stamps of this type. I also have some India stamps cancelled in Pondicherry, which was under French influence at the time. So, it seems mixing and matching was the flavor of the day. ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= Tracy All this is a fascinating subject for those with the resources to do it justice. Pondicherry was of course a French colony until 1954 so Indian stamps used there before that date could arguably be considered as "used abroad" but in this part of the world nothing is ever clear-cut. Yup. Agreed. One can look out for cancels when one sorts out stamps. I have a HUGE bunch of India to look over and I'll be on guard for this type of cancel in the future. Newer stamps, past say 1950 would yield little because of the blurred cancels. Can anyone decipher any of it? Not only that, but much of the postal systems in place used distinct country postage about that time. Maybe some cross-border Pakistan / India blurring... Maybe Victor or Blair would know, but when did India join the UPU? Or does / did that matter, in this case? This just opens up yet another can of worms when dealing with older stamps. A fun one, nevertheless. :^) ======================= Tracy Barber ----------------------- adirondack-pc ----------------------- "Freebie Stamp Project" ======================= |
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India joined the UPU on July 1, 1876.
Pakistan joined on November 10, 1947. Burma joined on October 4, 1949. Blair |
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