Gold prices plummet!

oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:06 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com
wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list
of groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights,
*or* any right or rights themselves that are unabridged,
historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a
capital offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad
extreme, dontcha think?

Accordingly, I will be right there with the smokers in the last
ditch fighting the damn ninnies.

And I'll be right there with my bucket of fresh pig manure and my
stir stick and *really* stink up the joint. Anyway, there's a big
difference between smokers and drinkers. I've never sat next to a
drinker who bothered me in the least. They can swill all the booze
they want and it doesn't affect my liver in the least manner.
Smokers...lungs...different story.

James the Mixmaster

Sorry, but the issue isn't about the particular vice. As has been the
case for a long time, the issue is about rather small people who want
to control your every aspect of your life.

And just who, exactly, are these small people? I demand names!

BTW, once they get all the tobacco and alcohol, the next substances to
go will likely be gold and silver.

That is false, blackpowderbreath. They're coming for your guns first. I
heard it right from Glenn Beck's mouth, and Glenn is my best Facebook bud,
so I trust him implicitly in all matters.

James the Subservient

Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Who you talkin' to?

James the Confused

On Oct 2, 11:40*am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:06 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com
wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list
of groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights,
*or* any right or rights themselves that are unabridged,
historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a
capital offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad
extreme, dontcha think?

Accordingly, I will be right there with the smokers in the last
ditch fighting the damn ninnies.

And I'll be right there with my bucket of fresh pig manure and my
stir stick and *really* stink up the joint. Anyway, there's a big
difference between smokers and drinkers. I've never sat next to a
drinker who bothered me in the least. They can swill all the booze
they want and it doesn't affect my liver in the least manner.
Smokers...lungs...different story.

James the Mixmaster

Sorry, but the issue isn't about the particular vice. *As has been the
case for a long time, the issue is about rather small people who want
to control your every aspect of your life.

And just who, exactly, are these small people? *I demand names!

BTW, once they get all the tobacco and alcohol, the next substances to
go will likely be gold and silver.

That is false, blackpowderbreath. *They're coming for your guns first. *I
heard it right from Glenn Beck's mouth, and Glenn is my best Facebook bud,
so I trust him implicitly in all matters.

James the Subservient- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, Mr. Beck is undoubtedly correct. I stand corrected. I own beer,
gold, silver and maybe there is an odd "baby" cigar about the joint
(all my friends and their children are prolific breeders). Having no
guns, that escaped me.

Don't forget that incandescent light bulbs will be illegal soon
enough.

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

oly

"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...



snipped
As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even
if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently
knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than
determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even those
voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last
sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are from
both
right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC,
and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more
confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other
government
or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or die.
This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state, federal,
fire, or other group.

If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning of
a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs to
look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now to know
what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass how much
faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so you must
know what we have lost in freedoms during this period. Many of the
laws could be considered for our own best interest BUT every one of
them reduces our ability to function independently. We are being
taught to let big brother take care of us and not learn to look out
for ourselves.
I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost since
that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been things
like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on the tarmack
to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then lighting up a
smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple hours early so our
selves and belongings can be searched. And smoke? Forgetaboutit. I
miss our old freedom there, but then we all have to go through the
same thing. Any other "freedoms" I might have lost in the past 50
years are equally as trivial and have little to do with our
government, per se. Which freedoms were you thinking of?

I consider it as having gained a freedom with the
smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the
discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or
smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant.

James the Nicotine-Addicted



I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ng0527-ON.html

I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with out
government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't want
smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas or rooms
should be allowed for any business owner... We have been smoking on
this earth for a very long time and these laws are definitely a loss
of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners of the business.

http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html

George, I'm prepared to make you a deal!

We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining tables. I
will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig manure with a stir
stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of your choice, even if your
choice happens to be Gauloises. As you enjoy your smoke, I will stir the
manure at regular intervals for your dining and dancing pleasure. The
only requirements are that we both eat everything on our plates and tip
the server appropriately.

James the Farmerboy


Was it larry Hagman who, upon being asked by someone if he minded that they
smoked, his reply wold be, do you mind if I fart.

No smoking in Dallas, the TV programme not the city. Billy

"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list of
groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights, *or* any
right or rights themselves that are unabridged, historical or modern.

James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a capital
offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad extreme,
dontcha think?


It already is a capital offence for about 25% of smokers. Billy


Accordingly, I will be right there with the smokers in the last ditch
fighting the damn ninnies.

And I'll be right there with my bucket of fresh pig manure and my stir
stick and *really* stink up the joint. Anyway, there's a big difference
between smokers and drinkers. I've never sat next to a drinker who
bothered me in the least. They can swill all the booze they want and it
doesn't affect my liver in the least manner. Smokers...lungs...different
story.

James the Mixmaster

On Oct 2, 12:45*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Who you talkin' to?

James the Confused

Just to be up front, yes, I am a smoker. My tobacco tax dollars are
funding health insurance for children without insurance, which should
I (and everyone else) stop smoking , would render them without
insurance. So it appears to me that the government wants me to quit
smoking, and that would do damage to the kids, more so than '2nd hand
smoke'.

I believe that 99% of smokers rightfully believe that non-smokers have
rights, but the percentage of non-smokers who believe that smokers
have rights can be counted on one hand. Until they make smoking
illegal, it is my belief that wherever smoking is prohibited, a
designated smoking area should be provided. We smokers don't want to
infringe on non-smokers rights, we just want to have a place to go
where we won't offend you. In the winter we in Maine often hear a
warning to joggers not to go running because the temperature is too
low and is dangerous. Hmmmm...let me see if I have that right. Joggers
with healthy lungs are told not to go outside, but smokers aren't
permitted to smoke inside, so they have to go outside? The hazard to
your health is not from cancer, but from pneumonia! Women want 'potty
parity' for restrooms, smokers just want a place to call our own.

What is that story about WWII that goes along the lines of "They came
for the Jews, but I am not Jewish, so I did nothing" Beware! They
might come for left-handed people next! After all, proportionately,
they have more accidents than 'rightys'. Hey! I am offended by the
aftershave/perfume that some people wear! Where is the justice?

Jud - Pack a day Camel non-filter smoker for 45 years
(Only partially tongue-in-cheek)

On Oct 2, 1:47*pm, "note.boy" wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message

...





George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...

snipped
As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even
if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently
knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than
determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even those
voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last
sentence. FWIW * I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are from
both
right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC,
and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more
confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other
government
or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or die.
This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state, federal,
fire, or other group.

If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning of
a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs to
look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now to know
what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass how much
faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so you must
know what we have lost in freedoms during this period. Many of the
laws could be considered for our own best interest BUT every one of
them reduces our ability to function independently. We are being
taught to let big brother take care of us and not learn to look out
for ourselves.
I was in college 50 years ago. *The only freedoms I have lost since
that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been things
like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on the tarmack
to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then lighting up a
smoke. *Now we have to get to airport a couple hours early so our
selves and belongings can be searched. And smoke? *Forgetaboutit. *I
miss our old freedom there, but then we all have to go through the
same thing. *Any other "freedoms" I might have lost in the past 50
years are equally as trivial and have little to do with our
government, per se. *Which freedoms were you thinking of?

I consider it as having gained a freedom with the
smoking-in-public-places ban. *No longer do I have to endure the
discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or
smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant.

James the Nicotine-Addicted

I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...527swv-gysmoki....

I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with out
government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't want
smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas or rooms
should be allowed for any business owner... We have been smoking on
this earth for a very long time and these laws are definitely a loss
of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners of the business.

http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html

George, I'm prepared to make you a deal!

We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining tables. *I
will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig manure with a stir
stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of your choice, even if your
choice happens to be Gauloises. *As you enjoy your smoke, I will stir the
manure at regular intervals for your dining and dancing pleasure. *The
only requirements are that we both eat everything on our plates and tip
the server appropriately.

James the Farmerboy

Was it larry Hagman who, upon being asked by someone if he minded that they
smoked, his reply wold be, do you mind if I fart.

No smoking in Dallas, the TV programme not the city. *Billy- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

There had to be "implied" smoking in the television program Dallas,
what with the suggestion of so much "apres-sexe"...

oly

note.boy wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
oly wrote:
On Oct 2, 10:29 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com
wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Smokers have rights. Those rights are necessarily abridged, as are
virtually *all* rights. If you do not agree, please provide a list
of groups, majority or minority, that enjoy unabridged rights,
*or* any right or rights themselves that are unabridged,
historical or modern. James the Abridger of Rights

IMHO, once the meddling ninny *******s make smoking tobacco a
capital offense, then they come after the beer.

Now oly, sayaing that smoking is a capital offense is just a tad
extreme, dontcha think?


It already is a capital offence for about 25% of smokers. Billy

Hadn't thought of that. Good point. But that's their business. I
shouldn't have to be collateral damage.

James the Survivor

Jud wrote:
On Oct 2, 12:45 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
Jud wrote:
Smokers seem to be the only minority without rights.

Who you talkin' to?

James the Confused

Just to be up front, yes, I am a smoker. My tobacco tax dollars are
funding health insurance for children without insurance, which should
I (and everyone else) stop smoking , would render them without
insurance. So it appears to me that the government wants me to quit
smoking, and that would do damage to the kids, more so than '2nd hand
smoke'.

I'm rather doubtful that your tobacco tax dollars are being used directly
for that purpose. "General fund" and all that rot. Nor would I ever claim
that the government really gives a damn about you - or me. A lifetime of
observation has made that quite clear to me.

I believe that 99% of smokers rightfully believe that non-smokers have
rights, but the percentage of non-smokers who believe that smokers
have rights can be counted on one hand. Until they make smoking
illegal, it is my belief that wherever smoking is prohibited, a
designated smoking area should be provided. We smokers don't want to
infringe on non-smokers rights, we just want to have a place to go
where we won't offend you. In the winter we in Maine often hear a
warning to joggers not to go running because the temperature is too
low and is dangerous. Hmmmm...let me see if I have that right. Joggers
with healthy lungs are told not to go outside, but smokers aren't
permitted to smoke inside, so they have to go outside? The hazard to
your health is not from cancer, but from pneumonia! Women want 'potty
parity' for restrooms, smokers just want a place to call our own.

As far as designated smoking areas go, I remember the days when the smoking
area in the vast majority of restaurants was separated from the non-smoking
area by nothing more than an aisle between two rows of tables. There was
always some kind of heating/cooling unit in the ceiling that made sure that
the smoke was evenly distributed throughout the entire seating area. Now,
that is just plain stupid. I'll take one of those spots on your one hand
and say that yes, smokers have the right to a designated smoking area, and I
don't even care if they get the preferred seats in the joint, just don't
allow their output to migrate into the non-smoking area.

What is that story about WWII that goes along the lines of "They came
for the Jews, but I am not Jewish, so I did nothing" Beware! They
might come for left-handed people next! After all, proportionately,
they have more accidents than 'rightys'. Hey! I am offended by the
aftershave/perfume that some people wear! Where is the justice?

Yeah, ya gotta really watch them lefties, yupper! Give 'em an inch and
they'll bring socialism and take all your dough. 8)

James the Southpaw

note.boy wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
George D wrote:
Mr. Jaggers wrote:
Bruce Remick wrote:
"George D" wrote in message
...



snipped
As the documents change daily I know not how to do that and even
if I could find the most current of them I am not sufficiently
knowledgeable to be able to understand what they say and than
determine what the real effect will be if enacted. Damn even
those voting on them don't read them as you mention in your last
sentence. FWIW I do not listen to Limbaugh and the sources are
from both
right wing and left wing news. My home pages are azcentral, BBC,
and Foxnews anything else would only cause me to become more
confused. I only know that anytime the US government or any other
government
or quasi government gets started on anything they must grow or
die. This is true from your labor union, HOA, city, state,
federal, fire, or other group.

If the current bills pass into law it will only be the beginning
of a long down hill battle of more freedoms lost. One only needs
to look at what we had 40 or 50 years ago and where we are now
to know what a slippery slope we are on and as the years pass
how much faster we are slipping. You are a teacher of history so
you must know what we have lost in freedoms during this period.
Many of the laws could be considered for our own best interest
BUT every one of them reduces our ability to function
independently. We are being taught to let big brother take care
of us and not learn to look out for ourselves.
I was in college 50 years ago. The only freedoms I have lost
since that time, other than the freedom to be drafted, have been
things like checking in at an airport, walking out the door on
the tarmack to navigate a flight of stairs to my flight, and then
lighting up a smoke. Now we have to get to airport a couple
hours early so our selves and belongings can be searched. And
smoke? Forgetaboutit. I miss our old freedom there, but then we
all have to go through the same thing. Any other "freedoms" I
might have lost in the past 50 years are equally as trivial and
have little to do with our government, per se. Which freedoms
were you thinking of?

I consider it as having gained a freedom with the
smoking-in-public-places ban. No longer do I have to endure the
discomfort and danger of asthma from breathing secondary smoke or
smelling like a chimney when I leave a restaurant.

James the Nicotine-Addicted



I am a smoker and I understand that some people don't want smoking
near them but in city parks?????


http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...ng0527-ON.html

I also believe a restaurant should be able to run its affairs with
out government interference. Let the market prevail if people don't
want smoking in the restaurant don't eat there. Non smoking areas
or rooms should be allowed for any business owner... We have been
smoking on this earth for a very long time and these laws are
definitely a loss of freedoms, both for the smokers and the owners
of the business. http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html

George, I'm prepared to make you a deal!

We'll meet at a restaurant of your choice and sit at adjoining
tables. I will be bringing with me a large bucket of fresh pig
manure with a stir stick and you may bring the cigarette brand of
your choice, even if your choice happens to be Gauloises. As you
enjoy your smoke, I will stir the manure at regular intervals for
your dining and dancing pleasure. The only requirements are that we
both eat everything on our plates and tip the server appropriately.

James the Farmerboy


Was it larry Hagman who, upon being asked by someone if he minded
that they smoked, his reply wold be, do you mind if I fart.

That line was part of a Steve Martin routine.

James de Bergerac