Q: Describing orientation of off-center strike

Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time! More
on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from the
drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do you
describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the centered
clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do you use
degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck

"americancoppercoins" wrote in message
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Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time! More
on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from the
drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do
you describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the
centered clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do
you use degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck

No reference but I've always favored the clock designation myself although,
in this digital era, there will be fewer and fewer people who have ever seen
a clock face.

"americancoppercoins" wrote in message
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Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time! More
on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from the
drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do
you describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the
centered clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do
you use degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck

The times I haven't seen it as a clock face designation (often as K-7, etc.)
it has been in terms of compass direction (OC to the southwest, for
example).

Mr. Jaggers

In article GnL7g.9365$B42.8065@dukeread05, "americancoppercoins"
wrote:

Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time! More
on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from the
drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do you
describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the centered
clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do you use
degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

I've always described them by clock position ... 40 perzent off center
at 3 o'clock, for example, the direction being from the unstruck portion
to the struck portion. Using the "Kolit Wheel" K-1 through K-12 "hour"
designations seems to have gone by the wayside ...

My favorite off-center error was one slabbed by a not-to-be-named
Third Party Grading Service, which identified it as "Off Center
At 2 PM". Zactly how this is differentiated from an error which
is "Off Center At 2 AM" was not revealed ...

--
Ken Barr Numismatics
P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens)
408-272-3247 Next show: Alameda CC 06/18 (no table)

Thanks Ken, Brian and Mr. Jaggers,

All good input. Ken, did you ever find out where the term "Kolit Wheel"
originated? I think many collectors still use the "K" designator - probably
as an abbreviation to o'klock. Could the term "Kolit" be a spelling play on
"Call it" as in "Let's call it 3 o'clock."?

The not-to-be-named TPG service provider you mention below must have known
the exact time the coin was struck ;^)

Buck


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In article GnL7g.9365$B42.8065@dukeread05, "americancoppercoins"
wrote:

Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time!
More
on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from the
drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do
you
describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the centered
clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do you use
degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

I've always described them by clock position ... 40 perzent off center
at 3 o'clock, for example, the direction being from the unstruck portion
to the struck portion. Using the "Kolit Wheel" K-1 through K-12 "hour"
designations seems to have gone by the wayside ...

My favorite off-center error was one slabbed by a not-to-be-named
Third Party Grading Service, which identified it as "Off Center
At 2 PM". Zactly how this is differentiated from an error which
is "Off Center At 2 AM" was not revealed ...

--
Ken Barr Numismatics
P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens)
408-272-3247 Next show: Alameda CC 06/18 (no table)

"americancoppercoins" wrote in message
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Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time! More
on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from the
drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do
you describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the
centered clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do
you use degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck


Measure the % off centre, half off the flan would be 50%. Billy

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"americancoppercoins" wrote in message
news:GnL7g.9365$B42.8065@dukeread05...
Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time!
More on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from
the drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do
you describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the
centered clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do
you use degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck


Measure the % off centre, half off the flan would be 50%. Billy


That definitely seems to be the accepted way to describe amount of
off-centering. How would you describe the direction of the off-centering?

Buck

In article fXO7g.9373$B42.8071@dukeread05, "americancoppercoins"
wrote:

Thanks Ken, Brian and Mr. Jaggers,

All good input. Ken, did you ever find out where the term "Kolit Wheel"
originated? I think many collectors still use the "K" designator -
probably
as an abbreviation to o'klock. Could the term "Kolit" be a spelling play
on "Call it" as in "Let's call it 3 o'clock."?

The Kolit Position Gauge, according to the Coin World Almanac,
was "developed by Michael Kolman, Jr. and Dr. Littman, for
determining relative degree of error in off-center, multi-struck
and clipped planchet coins".

--
Ken Barr Numismatics
P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com
San Jose, CA 95152 (souvenir cards, MPC, Hickey Bros tokens)
408-272-3247 Next show: Alameda CC 06/18 (no table)

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Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time!
More on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering from
the drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How do
you describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the
centered clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or do
you use degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck


Measure the % off centre, half off the flan would be 50%. Billy


That definitely seems to be the accepted way to describe amount of
off-centering. How would you describe the direction of the off-centering?

Buck


I've never seen the direction mention in the UK.

What difference would it make? Billy

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"americancoppercoins" wrote in
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Greetings,

I just got back from EAC 2006 in West Palm Beach...had a great time!
More on the convention in a later message, as I am still recovering
from
the drive.

I am gathering opinions and facts concerning error descriptions. How
do
you describe the orientation of an off-center strike error? Is the
centered clock direction of the struck portion usually indicated? Or
do
you use degrees?

Appreciate your thoughts and references.

Buck


Measure the % off centre, half off the flan would be 50%. Billy


That definitely seems to be the accepted way to describe amount of
off-centering. How would you describe the direction of the
off-centering?

Buck


I've never seen the direction mention in the UK.

What difference would it make? Billy

Depending on the direction, a date does or does not show. Isn't that
correct for anything over 40% oc? Just a thought.

Jonthan_ATC