"Zeil" on Delcampe

I have recently moved house, and have not yet retrieved my mail from
the PO Box at my old address. I was contacted by the seller with the
pseudonym "Zeil" (of Belgium) for feedback. I explained the
situation.

Today I received feedback on all the purchases I made from him, 75%,
with the annotation "payment OK but gives after 2 months not an
evaluation". What the $*(@? Poor feedback for not awarding him
feedback? Not only is this absurd and unjustified, anybody want to
guess what my first inclination is? I think it's something like "OK,
he wants a percentage, I've got a percentage for him!"

I'm trying to resolve this with him, but be wary of this gent. If he
fails, I will escalate to Delcampe. But know that he is prone to this
sort of thing.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

Armed with the caveat of having never used ebay or the like,
are you not over reacting?
On the face of it, it appears to me that he is simply telling the truth.
Apparently feed back is important and may be valuable to some.
He appears to be simply stating he has not received any feedback of late.
Is 75% such a terrible score? and rated as "poor"?

I am not attempting to prod your anger button, but perhaps
he has complied with eveything expected of him, and proud of his
record, and he may be miffed with no evaluation.
Does he have a case?



"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
I have recently moved house, and have not yet retrieved my mail from
the PO Box at my old address. I was contacted by the seller with the
pseudonym "Zeil" (of Belgium) for feedback. I explained the
situation.

Today I received feedback on all the purchases I made from him, 75%,
with the annotation "payment OK but gives after 2 months not an
evaluation". What the $*(@? Poor feedback for not awarding him
feedback? Not only is this absurd and unjustified, anybody want to
guess what my first inclination is? I think it's something like "OK,
he wants a percentage, I've got a percentage for him!"

I'm trying to resolve this with him, but be wary of this gent. If he
fails, I will escalate to Delcampe. But know that he is prone to this
sort of thing.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

On May 15, 5:44*pm, "rodney" wrote:
Armed with the caveat of having never used ebay or the like,
are you not over reacting?
...
I am not attempting to prod your anger button, but perhaps
he has complied with eveything expected of him, and proud of his
record, and he may be miffed with no evaluation.
Does he have a case?

In my 10+ years of online auctioning, I have never seen anyone defend
giving imperfect feedback for a transaction that was, financially,
completely above-board.

In fact, making feedback contingent on other feedback has a technical
name: "feedback extortion". If proven, this is enough to have one's
account permanently deleted, including all accumulated feedback, on
the auction site.

So, no, I do not believe I am overreacting. But others are welcome to
comment.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

I took it not as "imperfect feedback" rather, no feedback at all.
No feedback is "neutral feedback" ?
if so the vendor suffers, no?


"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
...
On May 15, 5:44 pm, "rodney" wrote:
Armed with the caveat of having never used ebay or the like,
are you not over reacting?
...
I am not attempting to prod your anger button, but perhaps
he has complied with eveything expected of him, and proud of his
record, and he may be miffed with no evaluation.
Does he have a case?

In my 10+ years of online auctioning, I have never seen anyone defend
giving imperfect feedback for a transaction that was, financially,
completely above-board.

In fact, making feedback contingent on other feedback has a technical
name: "feedback extortion". If proven, this is enough to have one's
account permanently deleted, including all accumulated feedback, on
the auction site.

So, no, I do not believe I am overreacting. But others are welcome to
comment.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

On May 17, 8:26*pm, "rodney" wrote:
I took it not as "imperfect feedback" rather, no feedback at all.
No feedback is "neutral feedback" ?
if so the vendor suffers, no?

I left no feedback (for a good reason) and this is not considered
neutral feedback -- it simply isn't considered in one's feedback
score.

Neutral Feedback is when someone explicitly leaves "neutral feedback"
-- he considers the transaction to have equal positive and negative
aspects. But to be fair to sellers/buyers, since not everyone leaves
feedback, the transactions for which feedback is not received are not
counted.

The vendor does not suffer from what I did. I did suffer for what the
seller did, and as leaving feedback is optional, the feedback I was
given was uncalled for and against the rules.

I appreciate your taking the time to get to understand the system, but
so far, you're off base.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: *http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
...
I have recently moved house, and have not yet retrieved my mail from
the PO Box at my old address. I was contacted by the seller with the
pseudonym "Zeil" (of Belgium) for feedback. I explained the
situation.

Today I received feedback on all the purchases I made from him, 75%,
with the annotation "payment OK but gives after 2 months not an
evaluation". What the $*(@? Poor feedback for not awarding him
feedback? Not only is this absurd and unjustified, anybody want to
guess what my first inclination is? I think it's something like "OK,
he wants a percentage, I've got a percentage for him!"

I'm trying to resolve this with him, but be wary of this gent. If he
fails, I will escalate to Delcampe. But know that he is prone to this
sort of thing.

Hi Joshua.

One of the commonest remarks I receive with my ebay invoices is "will
reciprocate any feedback you leave about this transaction". It always
annoyed me but I always called it like I saw it and "reciprocal feedback be
damned". I have never used Delacampe but I did have a feedback problem or
two in the last few years on ebay. One of my feedback problems arose with a
seller from Poland who knew as much English as I know Polish, and this was
the first thing that came to mind when I first read of your problem.

I see you say "I explained the situation". I assume this explanation on
your part was in English. You also quote from the seller as "payment OK but
gives after 2 months not an evaluation." [the payment was OK but after two
months he still has not given an evaluation]. The seller's construction is
so obviously Germanic that I am sure it was obtained through machine
translation and not devised by an advanced Englsih-speaker. So my question
is: Is it possible that your original explanation was not completely
understood (or completely misunderstood, for that matter) by the seller and
the problem has continued and has been made worse through additional
exchanges? This situation has happened to me under different circumstances,
which is the reason I ask?

Feel free to ignore if you think I am completely off base.
--
Tony Vella
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
http://www.amedialuz.ca/

"Joshua McGee"
I appreciate your taking the time to get to understand the system, but
so far, you're off base.

So it must be a delcampe thing.
as of 19th May 2008 ebay appears to disallow negative feedback of any sort
to the buyer
which in your case appears to apply.
Which, if I have read it correctly seems the avenue ebay has taken to
prevent
exactly what has happened to you.

rodney schrieb:
"Joshua McGee"
I appreciate your taking the time to get to understand the system, but
so far, you're off base.


as of 19th May 2008 ebay appears to disallow negative feedback of any sort
to the buyer

I think, this only applies to commercials. Negative feedback between
private vendors, is still possible.



Peter


--
No Gates - no Bill!

On May 18, 6:51*am, "Tony Vella" wrote:
So my question
is: Is it possible that your original explanation was not completely
understood (or completely misunderstood, for that matter) by the seller and
the problem has continued and has been made worse through additional
exchanges? *This situation has happened to me under different circumstances,
which is the reason I ask?

That is absolutely possible, but, in my opinion, has absolutely no
bearing on the situation. Because I *did* *not* leave him *any*
feedback, he left me imperfect feedback. This is not retaliatory
negative feedback, this is one step beyond: holding my feedback ransom
(Delcampe allows one to change feedback) for the simple act of *not*
*leaving* feedback to a seller.

This is completely unacceptable. I have an obligation to pay for my
auctions. He has an obligation to send me the items I purchased,
after receiving payment. I have *no* *obligation* whatsoever to leave
him feedback one way or the other. I fulfilled my part of the
contract; he wanted extra, and was willing to threaten my 100%
positive feedback to get it. Slime.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/

I am following this thread now for a few weeks and I am getting more and
more astonished about the way you react to having received a feedback on an
auction that does not suit you for whatever reason. Now you start pointing
out whether or not you would have any obligation to leave feedback after a
transaction. I have been actively selling on both eBay and Delcampe for
years. Om both auction sites there are guidelines and rules how to behave,
both as a seller and a buyer. One of them is that you will leave feedback
AS SOON AS the transaction is closed. Feedback, or rather the points or
percentages that it gives to your alias has a value . It indicates your
performance and trustworthiness. You know that obviously, because you are
constantly complaining about the fact that someone has harmed your 100%
positive feedback.

But, you apparently are not so much interested in the feedback percentages
of others as you did not, contrary to the rule, give any feedback to the
seller. So, contrary to what you say, surely this is a retaliatory feedback:
your seller retaliated by giving you a less-than-perfect feedback, because
you chose to neglect the rules.
This is completely correct and deserved.

Next time, stick to the rules and you will not ever have to complain about
your 100% rating

Ton

"Joshua McGee" schreef in bericht
...
On May 18, 6:51 am, "Tony Vella" wrote:
So my question
is: Is it possible that your original explanation was not completely
understood (or completely misunderstood, for that matter) by the seller
and
the problem has continued and has been made worse through additional
exchanges? This situation has happened to me under different
circumstances,
which is the reason I ask?

That is absolutely possible, but, in my opinion, has absolutely no
bearing on the situation. Because I *did* *not* leave him *any*
feedback, he left me imperfect feedback. This is not retaliatory
negative feedback, this is one step beyond: holding my feedback ransom
(Delcampe allows one to change feedback) for the simple act of *not*
*leaving* feedback to a seller.

This is completely unacceptable. I have an obligation to pay for my
auctions. He has an obligation to send me the items I purchased,
after receiving payment. I have *no* *obligation* whatsoever to leave
him feedback one way or the other. I fulfilled my part of the
contract; he wanted extra, and was willing to threaten my 100%
positive feedback to get it. Slime.

--
Joshua H. McGee
Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA
Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC
Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/