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My latest coin acquisition
The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise
pieces made from well over three hundred die pairs. They were made by various individuals with varying degrees of skill under varying conditions. Poor workmanship and materials plague these coins, and the survivors attest to this unhappy fact. A look at pages 58-60 in a recent edition of the Redbook will show many spelling anomalies in the legends on both sides. The reverse legend should read INDE ET LIB (Latin abbreviations for Independence and Liberty) but my coin reads FNDE ET LIB. Punch link studies have shown that this particular coin was made in the same place, at the same time, and by the same people as the much more widely known "FUGIO" coppers (Redbook, pages 83-84). The hypothesis is that the diecutter thought he was making a die for a FUGIO, but after punching the letter F into the die was told that he was making a Connecticut, and should have been punching INDE in that location. As was often done, instead of discarding the erroneous die, he was told to correct it by punching the proper I over the F and then completing the rest of the legend. Thus this variety is known as the FNDE over INDE. The die in question is known as reverse aa, pictured he http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...zman/revaa.jpg This particular piece was selected from a dealer's double-row box of colonials just yesterday afternoon. James the Early American |
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On Apr 9, 3:09*pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise pieces made from well over three hundred die pairs. *They were made by various individuals with varying degrees of skill under varying conditions. Poor workmanship and materials plague these coins, and the survivors attest to this unhappy fact. *A look at pages 58-60 in a recent edition of the Redbook will show many spelling anomalies in the legends on both sides. The reverse legend should read INDE ET LIB (Latin abbreviations for Independence and Liberty) but my coin reads FNDE ET LIB. *Punch link studies have shown that this particular coin was made in the same place, at the same time, and by the same people as the much more widely known "FUGIO" coppers (Redbook, pages 83-84). *The hypothesis is that the diecutter thought he was making a die for a FUGIO, but after punching the letter F into the die was told that he was making a Connecticut, and should have been punching INDE in that location. *As was often done, instead of discarding the erroneous die, he was told to correct it by punching the proper I over the F and then completing the rest of the legend. *Thus this variety is known as the FNDE over INDE. *The die in question is known as reverse aa, pictured he http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...zman/revaa.jpg This particular piece was selected from a dealer's double-row box of colonials just yesterday afternoon. James the Early American Nice catch Jim. I like coins with a story. Jud |
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Wow that's a pretty coin ya got there. May i ask what ya got it for? I'm
attending a show in about a month and a half and am ready to go. I wanna buy one roll of wheats from each decade. How much should i pay for rolls by decade? Being my first show ill be honest i just dont know prices and dont intend to be ripped off. Signed the other James a.k.a The newly reformed punctual capitalist. LMAO @ myself i just come up with that in my head |
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james durham wrote:
Wow that's a pretty coin ya got there. May i ask what ya got it for? I'm attending a show in about a month and a half and am ready to go. I wanna buy one roll of wheats from each decade. How much should i pay for rolls by decade? Being my first show ill be honest i just dont know prices and dont intend to be ripped off. Signed the other James a.k.a The newly reformed punctual capitalist. LMAO @ myself i just come up with that in my head I never reveal what I pay for coins, but if you happen to have a recent Redbook, you can look on page 60 and find that variety priced in several grades. I don't know that I've ever seen rolls of wheats sold by decade. If they are, you can be sure that they have been artificially put together and totally devoid of anything that might be better than average. You may be setting yourself up to be ripped, so I'd advise you look for specific date/mint combinations, as those fit a more regular price schedule. James |
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Jud wrote:
On Apr 9, 3:09 pm, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise pieces made from well over three hundred die pairs. They were made by various individuals with varying degrees of skill under varying conditions. Poor workmanship and materials plague these coins, and the survivors attest to this unhappy fact. A look at pages 58-60 in a recent edition of the Redbook will show many spelling anomalies in the legends on both sides. The reverse legend should read INDE ET LIB (Latin abbreviations for Independence and Liberty) but my coin reads FNDE ET LIB. Punch link studies have shown that this particular coin was made in the same place, at the same time, and by the same people as the much more widely known "FUGIO" coppers (Redbook, pages 83-84). The hypothesis is that the diecutter thought he was making a die for a FUGIO, but after punching the letter F into the die was told that he was making a Connecticut, and should have been punching INDE in that location. As was often done, instead of discarding the erroneous die, he was told to correct it by punching the proper I over the F and then completing the rest of the legend. Thus this variety is known as the FNDE over INDE. The die in question is known as reverse aa, pictured he http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/f...zman/revaa.jpg This particular piece was selected from a dealer's double-row box of colonials just yesterday afternoon. James the Early American Nice catch Jim. I like coins with a story. I neglected to mention that the IN in INDE is actually struck over the FU in the intended FUGIO. That wasn't obvious until I really looked more closely. So, a more accurate name for the variety would be INDE over FUDE. James the Precise James the Microscopist |
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Go away Mr. Troll.
"james durham" wrote in message ... Wow that's a pretty coin ya got there. May i ask what ya got it for? I'm attending a show in about a month and a half and am ready to go. I wanna buy one roll of wheats from each decade. How much should i pay for rolls by decade? Being my first show ill be honest i just dont know prices and dont intend to be ripped off. Signed the other James a.k.a The newly reformed punctual capitalist. LMAO @ myself i just come up with that in my head |
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On 4/9/2010 3:09 PM, Mr. Jaggers wrote:
The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise See! I knew you could do it. Sounds like a good acquisition actually. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On 4/9/2010 3:09 PM, Mr. Jaggers wrote: The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise See! I knew you could do it. Sounds like a good acquisition actually. Well, there you have it - the stamp of approval by none other than Reid "I'm Never Wrong" Goldsborough. |
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Reid Goldsborough wrote:
On 4/9/2010 3:09 PM, Mr. Jaggers wrote: The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise See! I knew you could do it. Sounds like a good acquisition actually. Whether I could do it was never in question. The real question is whether it will generate positive dialogue or snarky comments. So far the reviews are mixed. James |
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... Reid Goldsborough wrote: On 4/9/2010 3:09 PM, Mr. Jaggers wrote: The Connecticut state coppers were dated 1785 through 1788, and comprise See! I knew you could do it. Sounds like a good acquisition actually. Whether I could do it was never in question. The real question is whether it will generate positive dialogue or snarky comments. So far the reviews are mixed. Leave it to Goldsborough to claim credit for prognostication of a fait accompli. |
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