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Man on trial for minting his own currency
Department of Justice Press Release For Immediate Release March 18, 2011 United States Attorney's Office Western District of North Carolina Contact: (704) 344-6222 Defendant Convicted of Minting His Own Currency http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel...1/ce031811.htm |
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Man on trial for minting his own currency
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... |
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Man on trial for minting his own currency
The paper warehouse notes are nice as well.
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...PCGS66PPQ1.jpg http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...PCGS66PPQ2.jpg "Frank Provasek" wrote in message ... This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... |
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On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote:
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great favor. But, we know you can't. Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer. oly |
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On Mar 20, 10:51*pm, oly wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote: This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great favor. But, we know you can't. *Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer. oly http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...cy-now-a-crime The Liberty Dollar folks weren’t trying to do anything illegal, and in fact kept the relevant authorities informed of what they were doing, even asking them for legal opinions — Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for the U.S. Treasury Department’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing, said “There’s nothing illegal about this.” After the Treasury Department’s legal team reviewed the currency, she reiterated “As long as it doesn’t say ‘legal tender’ there’s nothing wrong with it.” "It’s not counterfeit money,” according to Ron Legan, Special Agent in Charge of the Seattle, Washington, Secret Service field office. Amazingly, the Liberty Dollar folks find themselves charged under statutes intended to prevent counterfeiting — though they never made any claim that Liberty Dollars are government currency, and they do not even slightly resemble U.S. coins or bills. Logan investigated and concluded that the Liberty Dollars are well within the boundaries of American monetary guidelines. “We determined there wasn’t a federal currency violation,” he said. Apparently a rogue and politically- motivated element in the Department of Justice disagrees. |
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On Mar 20, 11:29*pm, Frank Provasek wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:51*pm, oly wrote: On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote: This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great favor. But, we know you can't. *Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer. oly http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...cy-now-a-crime The Liberty Dollar folks weren’t trying to do anything illegal, and in fact kept the relevant authorities informed of what they were doing, even asking them for legal opinions — Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for the U.S. Treasury Department’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing, said “There’s nothing illegal about this.” After the Treasury Department’s legal team reviewed the currency, she reiterated “As long as it doesn’t say ‘legal tender’ there’s nothing wrong with it.” "It’s not counterfeit money,” according to Ron Legan, Special Agent in Charge of the Seattle, Washington, Secret Service field office. Amazingly, the Liberty Dollar folks find themselves charged under statutes intended to prevent counterfeiting — though they never made any claim that Liberty Dollars are government currency, and they do not even slightly resemble U.S. coins or bills. Logan investigated and concluded that the Liberty Dollars are well within the boundaries of American monetary guidelines. “We determined there wasn’t a federal currency violation,” he said. Apparently a rogue and politically- motivated element in the Department of Justice disagrees.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - No, no, don't stand the issue on it's head with a lightweight throw- away two-year old blog - you said the U.S Secret Service and the U.S. Mint said twenty years ago that this Liberty Dollar stuff was "legal". I don't want some blogger's mental masturbation second hand from you. I want correspondence, interpretive letters/ guidances from the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint. Anybody can blog anything at anytime, correct or incorrect, and then a quick 30 second search on a decent search engine can find it. But you'll never find anything on this matter that binds the feds, because it was never issued by them in the first place. The other RCC denizens should go look at the "proof" that Frank linked. Lightweight, facile piece, throw-away blog stuff. Good picture of a late-issue Liberty Dollar, however. Real letters and genuine correspondence from the Secret Service and Mint on the validity of 'private currencies' (nice euphanaism)??? If they existed, don't you think that one or more of Mr. Nothaus' supporters, lawyers or somebody would have presented them in pre-trial discovery??? Go find something that might have real legal standing, Frank; you're a regular Fairy Mason. oly P.S. Again, there's nothing stopping you or anybody from minting silver rounds if you want to. But don't put dollar signs on them or you're asking for trouble. |
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In article
, oly wrote: On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote: This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great favor. But, we know you can't. Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer. The first NORFED Liberty paper currency was issued in 1998, with the first metallic coins following a year later. http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/...ons/Norfed.htm for some detailed background and images. -- Ken Barr Numismatics * * * *email: P. O. Box 32541 * * * * * * website: *http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA *95152 * * Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 * ** NEXT SHOW: Santa Clara, Apr 15-17 table 437 w/Mac's Coins |
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On Mar 21, 2:51*am, Ken Barr wrote:
In article , *oly wrote: On Mar 20, 12:34 am, Frank Provasek wrote: This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign countries...well, THAT has to be stopped... If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great favor. But, we know you can't. *Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer. The first NORFED Liberty paper currency was issued in 1998, with the first metallic coins following a year later. http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/...ons/Norfed.htm for some detailed background and images. -- Ken Barr Numismatics email: P. O. Box 32541 website:http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 *NEXT SHOW: Santa Clara, Apr 15-17 table 437 w/Mac's Coins- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Ripping aside all the bull****tae, the whole scheme was to take $3.00 to $7.00 silver and convince the marks to pay $10 "face value" and later, when the "margins got tight", to pay $20.00 "face value". This was not a "barter community" nor was it particularly bright for the buyers to pay $10 for $4 silver, or $20 for $11 silver. The people who bought the rounds always overpaid in investment terms; they could have gotten more silver for their money at anytime - even by buying it from Frank. If the people who bought from Norfed were helping to make a "political statement", well, that was their right, but it was expensive. The Liberty Dollar "distributers" who provided the perp with a mouthy and appreciative audience presumably paid close to spot price for their coins and pocketed the difference if they could later find a mark to pay $10 or $20. If somebody brought one in to one of their businesses "to spend", well, any competent retail person should have had suffcient profit margins which made the coin worth accepting. Others may say in 20-20 hindsight that the buyers did O.K., given that silver is now $35+. Unfortunately, had the buyers paid the correct market prices for silver and not paid the silly "face values" on Liberty "Dollars", they would presently have more physical silver and more profits. Now, by their verbage and misrepresentations, the perps of this rather small-timey scheme have gotten their titties in a big wringer. You can misrepresent it as the Fed versus the American people, la, la la, la la. You can represent it as a Libertarian wet dream crushed by the fascist Corporate America. But it was actually just a small-time attempt to sell cheap silver at high prices. A petitite con, a ruse. Again, the DOJ now ought to try to rope in some of the more prominent Liberty Diollar distributers, especially Dave Gillie of Michigan. Happily, most of these round Liberty Dollars should hit the melting pot now, given the high price of silver. The paper will remain as a sort of monument - you sure can't do anything with it. oly |
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Man on trial for minting his own currency
You Americans think you are free and don't realise what is going on
Check here http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=jl2JQfxnnHU |
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Man on trial for minting his own currency
"František Baltiska" wrote in message ... You Americans think you are free and don't realise what is going on Check here http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=jl2JQfxnnHU Gee. All these years and I thought I was free. And I thought I knew what was going on. Thanks so much for this authoritative youtube video that removes all doubt. |
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