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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
"jeff" wrote in message news:saoNj.9243$XF3.4070@trnddc04... This is not a case of without sin, this person abused children which in my book, makes any and all of his previous actions unacceptable. No matter how smart he was about numismatics, his other actions outweigh any benefit. Have it your way, Jeff. I'm sorry to see that you view the world in black and white. But while you're at it, then, let's throw out William Sheldon and, if the whole truth were known about the leaders in today's numismatic community, I'll wager that at least half of them would have to go also, by your standards. And what sins may lurk within you that might make you a candidate for the dung heap? James |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and ColonialCoins
On Apr 16, 10:37*am, jeff wrote:
This is not a case of without sin, this person abused children which in my book, makes any and all of his previous actions unacceptable. No matter how smart he was about numismatics, his other actions outweigh any benefit. His conduct with children was reprehensible but it in no way affects his work as a numismatist. Hell, even Mussolini got the trains to run on time! |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
"RF" wrote in message ... On Apr 16, 10:37 am, jeff wrote: This is not a case of without sin, this person abused children which in my book, makes any and all of his previous actions unacceptable. No matter how smart he was about numismatics, his other actions outweigh any benefit. His conduct with children was reprehensible but it in no way affects his work as a numismatist. Hell, even Mussolini got the trains to run on time! ------------------------------- Exactly. The number of shady characters, shysters, and just plain jerks in the coin industry is appalling, but, hey, if they help me fill a void in my collection... James |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT), bgg wrote:
On Apr 13, 7:40*pm, "Bob Rinaldi w1cny" wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=220223681072&... I guess this is out of print now. Will there be new edition or printing? Dunno, but I bought one a month or two back and am VERY happy with it. Given that he's dead, I doubt if he'll be updating it. A reprint run would have to be profitable - hard to say. In the meantime the information, to me, was worth the 3 bills or so it cost me. |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 04:09:36 GMT, jeff wrote:
Walter Breen was a convicted pedophile. He is of no use to the numismatic fraternity. How does the author's non-coin related problems change the scholarship of his publication, exactly? |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:20:25 -0500, Mr. Jaggers lugburzman wrote:
Have it your way, Jeff. I'm sorry to see that you view the world in black and white. But while you're at it, then, let's throw out William Sheldon and, if the whole truth were known about the leaders in today's numismatic community, I'll wager that at least half of them would have to go also, by your standards. And what sins may lurk within you that might make you a candidate for the dung heap? I wonder if Mozart passes his ethical test, or his output is meaningless as well. Or any of dozens of other artists in their various fields. |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
"Dave Hinz" wrote in message ... On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:34:59 -0700 (PDT), bgg wrote: On Apr 13, 7:40 pm, "Bob Rinaldi w1cny" wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=220223681072&... I guess this is out of print now. Will there be new edition or printing? Dunno, but I bought one a month or two back and am VERY happy with it. Given that he's dead, I doubt if he'll be updating it. A reprint run would have to be profitable - hard to say. In the meantime the information, to me, was worth the 3 bills or so it cost me. You'll want to handle your book with great care. Many of the copies were not bound very well, and with anything beyond gentle use, will start shedding pages. And don't put too much pressure on the book to lie flat when open. James |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
On 16 Apr 2008 23:59:15 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:
How does the author's non-coin related problems change the scholarship of his publication, exactly? This has all been talked about, in great detail, here before. Breen was guilty of ethical lapses in his numismatic scholarship as he was in his personal life, from exaggerating way beyond the evidence for the dramatic affect to making up facts out of whole cloth. Google Groups this if you want the specifics. The most interesting thing is how people defend him, a child rapist ("molester" is a euphemism for what he actually did). Those who went through his encyclopedia and checked it against the sources he used found something like one error per page, a staggering error rate, one person anyway, as I recall, or maybe there were others too. I personally found errors in checking what he wrote in an area I looked into in detail, the iconography of the Draped Bust coins. People to this day still trust him, but he can't, and couldn't, be trusted. And people, some people, who knew him made up lots of excuses for him -- his memory was failing because of his drug abuse, he lost his notes in a fire, so on and so forth. In his prime he was said to be an superb researcher with a photographic memory, but he wrote his encyclopedia and other work way past his prime. People still swallow uncritically what he wrote. The main problem is that nobody has checked anywhere close of all of his "facts." So you're left with not knowing what he made up, what he just exaggerated, what he misremembered, and what he got right. But most people are unaware of this and regard him as the great encyclopedist of numismatics, believing everything he wrote. -- Email: (delete "remove this") Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and Colonial Coins
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... On 16 Apr 2008 23:59:15 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote: How does the author's non-coin related problems change the scholarship of his publication, exactly? This has all been talked about, in great detail, here before. Breen was guilty of ethical lapses in his numismatic scholarship as he was in his personal life, from exaggerating way beyond the evidence for the dramatic affect to making up facts out of whole cloth. Google Groups this if you want the specifics. The most interesting thing is how people defend him, a child rapist ("molester" is a euphemism for what he actually did). Those who went through his encyclopedia and checked it against the sources he used found something like one error per page, a staggering error rate, one person anyway, as I recall, or maybe there were others too. I personally found errors in checking what he wrote in an area I looked into in detail, the iconography of the Draped Bust coins. People to this day still trust him, but he can't, and couldn't, be trusted. And people, some people, who knew him made up lots of excuses for him -- his memory was failing because of his drug abuse, he lost his notes in a fire, so on and so forth. In his prime he was said to be an superb researcher with a photographic memory, but he wrote his encyclopedia and other work way past his prime. People still swallow uncritically what he wrote. The main problem is that nobody has checked anywhere close of all of his "facts." So you're left with not knowing what he made up, what he just exaggerated, what he misremembered, and what he got right. But most people are unaware of this and regard him as the great encyclopedist of numismatics, believing everything he wrote. Walter Breen said it, I believe it, and that settles it. James |
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FA: Walter Breen's Complete Encyclopedia of U.S. and ColonialCoins
On Apr 17, 12:30*am, Reid Goldsborough
wrote: The most interesting thing is how people defend him, a child rapist ("molester" is a euphemism for what he actually did). Nobody here "defended" his perversion (which is indefensible), merely his scholarship. Of course, you are perfect and never made an error. You're SO predictable. |
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