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I've noticed a lot of jukeboxes (particularly on eBay Australia) set
at high prices, usually far above what is considered the market value. I was under the impression that jukeboxes were generally depreciating in the digital era, but maybe not? There was an AMI G in working condition on eBay a little while a go staring bid at $5000. I'm not sure if people think they are sitting on a goldmine and/or being greedy, or if its because less machines are for sale which has driven the market value up? I'm curious to hear what people think about the current state of the jukebox market. |
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On Mar 10, 11:41*am, daniel7y wrote:
I've noticed a lot of jukeboxes (particularly on eBay Australia) set at high prices, usually far above what is considered the market value. I was under the impression that jukeboxes were generally depreciating in the digital era, but maybe not? There was an AMI G in working condition on eBay a little while a go staring bid at $5000. I'm not sure if people think they are sitting on a goldmine and/or being greedy, or if its because less machines are for sale which has driven the market value up? I'm curious to hear what people think about the current state of the jukebox market. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200719671... 4.m1438.l2649 Did you see the $30K Wurlitzer Teledisc ? (I have not got a clue what this would really be worth but 30k seems insane to me). In some cases the prices can be realistic, usually ROWE R-86-9 CD Combos are listed around 3K in what appear to be good condition, but a couple of 86's that were started at auction from a $1 bid went for well in excess of 2k, so the $3k was a little bit above market value but not far off, and the 3k ones were probably negotiated down outside Ebay. There seems to be no shortage of these machines, as I believe that literally hundreds of them were imported from the UK by American Amusements in the 1990's and early 2000's. This is on top of the significant number that would have been sold new through the authorised distributor here. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROWE-AMI-...item41637f1781 The others like the $3,300+ R-89 that has been listed over and over for several years and never sells are obviously excessively priced. Very hard to know a value on these things as you never see them for sale, probably because not many were imported to Aus at the time ? All I can tell you was that when they were first sold new here in 1985-6, United Coin (Qld Rowe distributor at the time) wanted $5k for one, and $5k for the video player option. Fantastic sounding and looking machine though at the time. Always wanted to own one, and eventually did, and still have it somewhere. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMI-Natio...item3f06fc0d39 As for the unrestored $5k G80 it is STILL THERE and IMHO is again totally insane, especially with those scrapes in the paintwork, the voltage selector missing out of the amp, and just a hole there, and other nasties. Then again if you have a look at that shot showing the end of the machine there is a record in there with the 1970's "World series cricket" logo on it, unless that is somehow worth $4k+ on its own as some sort of sports related collectable, I would tend to give this machine the big miss. I think I would be reluctant to touch it even well under $1000. Maybe someone outside of Australia who is crazy about exotic G-80's would get excited about this as it is the Australian Made model by National- AMI (Natami) made under License from AMI in USA. (note the word "National" on the badge in the middle of the horn grille at the top). Be warned though, there is no setting to run these on 120v, but they are built to a high standard. I would suggest that a G-80 unrestored but in reasonable, tidy condition and working ok would be very lucky to reach the $2k level, but that would be just an estimate, and probably an overly optomistic one. I think that looking at his other items, this very Non-PC kids book would be more value for money. Looking further times seem to be tough in the antique and collectable housewares market, which is what this seller seems to specialise in. You would think from watching "collectors" on ABC that this stuff would sell for a bit more. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-B...item3cc1c0534d |
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![]() http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200719671...:MEWAX:IT&_trk.... Did you see the $30K Wurlitzer Teledisc ? (I have not got a clue what this would really be worth but 30k seems insane to me). Yeah I saw that... That is an outrageous price. I don't really know what it would be worth but I don't understand it's appeal, other than the fact that it's rare I guess. In some cases the prices can be realistic, usually ROWE R-86-9 CD Combos are listed around 3K in what appear to be good condition, but a couple of 86's that were started at auction from a $1 bid went for well in excess *of 2k, so the $3k was a little bit above market value but not far off, and the 3k ones were probably negotiated down outside Ebay. I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than vinyl only. I did see those Rowe's starting at $1, and was kind of glad to see them go for over 2k. There are still people out there that went them it seems. There seems to be no shortage of these machines, as I believe that literally hundreds of them were imported from the UK by American Amusements in the 1990's and early 2000's. Thats interesting... Who are American Amusements? Did they bring over used machines from the UK? And was it specifically only R86 and up? This would explain why I see so many R90-R93's around and not many R84/85's. I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than just vinyl. This is on top of the significant number that would have been sold new through the authorised distributor here. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROWE-AMI-...147713?pt=AU_C.... The others like the $3,300+ *R-89 that has been listed over and over for several years and never sells are obviously excessively priced. Very hard to know a value on these things as you never see them for sale, probably because not many were imported to Aus at the time ? I'd imagine that it would be close in value to the 200 selection R90. Even if it's harder to come across than the R90~ series, they still aren't particularly collectable like silver age machines. All I can tell you was that when they were first sold new here in 1985-6, United Coin (Qld Rowe distributor at the time) wanted $5k for one, and $5k for the video player option. Fantastic sounding and looking machine though at the time. Always wanted to own one, and eventually did, and still have it somewhere. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMI-Natio...ti-Horn-Hi-Fi-... As for the unrestored *$5k G80 it is STILL THERE and IMHO is again totally insane, especially with those scrapes in the paintwork, the voltage selector missing out of the amp, and just a hole there, and other nasties. Then again if you have a look at that shot showing the end of the machine *there is a record in there with the 1970's "World series cricket" logo on it, unless that is somehow worth $4k+ on its own as some sort of sports related collectable, I would tend to give this machine the big miss. I think I would be reluctant to touch it even well under $1000. *Maybe someone outside of Australia who is crazy about exotic G-80's would get excited about this as it is the Australian Made model by National- AMI (Natami) made under License from AMI in USA. *(note the word "National" on the badge in the middle of the horn grille at the top). Be warned though, there is no setting to run these on 120v, but they are built to a high standard. I would suggest that a G-80 unrestored but in reasonable, tidy condition and working ok would be very lucky to reach the $2k level, but that would be just an estimate, and probably an overly optomistic one. I think that looking at his other items, this very Non-PC kids book would be more value for money. * Looking further times seem to be tough in the antique and collectable housewares market, which is what this seller seems to specialise in. *You would think from watching "collectors" on ABC that this stuff would sell for a bit more. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-B...Capt-WE-Johns-... That guy also has a Wurlitzer OMT CD for 7k... Still seems a bit expensive but a little more reasonable I think than his G80. I have yet to see any National AMI jukes in good condition. Seems like we ran them into the ground here. My Australian Continental was in very rough shape when I got it. |
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On Mar 13, 12:43*am, daniel7y wrote:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200719671...:MEWAX:IT&_trk.... Did you see the $30K Wurlitzer Teledisc ? (I have not got a clue what this would really be worth but 30k seems insane to me). Yeah I saw that... That is an outrageous price. I don't really know what it would be worth but I don't understand it's appeal, other than the fact that it's rare I guess. looking round on the net, it was a home model from about 1983, and had an IR remote control. I still cant see a great value in it. Maybe someone else on this forum who know more about this machine can give us some idea of its value ? In some cases the prices can be realistic, usually ROWE R-86-9 CD Combos are listed around 3K in what appear to be good condition, but a couple of 86's that were started at auction from a $1 bid went for well in excess *of 2k, so the $3k was a little bit above market value but not far off, and the 3k ones were probably negotiated down outside Ebay. I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than vinyl only. I did see those Rowe's starting at $1, and was kind of glad to see them go for over 2k. There are still people out there that went them it seems. There seems to be no shortage of these machines, as I believe that literally hundreds of them were imported from the UK by American Amusements in the 1990's and early 2000's. Thats interesting... Who are American Amusements? Did they bring over used machines from the UK? And was it specifically only R86 and up? From what I remember, they mostly brought in LOTS of CD Combo machines and LOTS of CD 100's. Also Diamante and later models but not as many as the CD100 (the first CD juke). You can tell their machines, as they were mostly 200 selection models with a 240v sony 10cd stacker (most of the authorised distributor's ones were 160 selection and had a 6 CD Pioneer stacker fitted with a 120v US plug) I think by that stage, the R89 and earlier record only models were not in any demand by operators and weren't imported. These also could not be converted to CD combo without the enormous task of replacing the central control computer, hacking a digital display and keyboard interface to suit this CCC (totally different methods of doing this in both models), and finally, it probably was not possible to raise the Record changer high enough to mount the CD player underneath, as the gripper arm would likely hit the back of the title rack as it moved if you tried it R-84 and 85 have the additional problem of the record changer sitting down in a recess, so if you put the CD player there, it would be walled in, and you likely couldnt eject the CD cartridge from the front. AFAIK pretty much all of them came in from the UK. American Amusement were in Sydney but are no longer in business, and the owner passed away last year, but were very active in the used juke market from the early-mid 1990s up to about 2004 or so. This would explain why I see so many R90-R93's around and not many R84/85's. I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than just vinyl. At least you can play your CD's in it, and even burn them if you are going to use it at home. You are very limited as to choice of music with vinyl you have to go out and find or buy the 45 from somewhere. This is on top of the significant number that would have been sold new through the authorised distributor here. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROWE-AMI-...147713?pt=AU_C.... The others like the $3,300+ *R-89 that has been listed over and over for several years and never sells are obviously excessively priced. Very hard to know a value on these things as you never see them for sale, probably because not many were imported to Aus at the time ? I'd imagine that it would be close in value to the 200 selection R90. Even if it's harder to come across than the R90~ series, they still aren't particularly collectable like silver age machines. I would tend to agree, he would likely get around to the 2k mark, probably less. Have not seen one of these sold with a low starting bid, and allowed to finish that is about the only way you can tell in this market. All I can tell you was that when they were first sold new here in 1985-6, United Coin (Qld Rowe distributor at the time) wanted $5k for one, and $5k for the video player option. Fantastic sounding and looking machine though at the time. Always wanted to own one, and eventually did, and still have it somewhere. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMI-Natio...ti-Horn-Hi-Fi-... As for the unrestored *$5k G80 it is STILL THERE and IMHO is again totally insane, especially with those scrapes in the paintwork, the voltage selector missing out of the amp, and just a hole there, and other nasties. Then again if you have a look at that shot showing the end of the machine *there is a record in there with the 1970's "World series cricket" logo on it, unless that is somehow worth $4k+ on its own as some sort of sports related collectable, I would tend to give this machine the big miss. I think I would be reluctant to touch it even well under $1000. *Maybe someone outside of Australia who is crazy about exotic G-80's would get excited about this as it is the Australian Made model by National- AMI (Natami) made under License from AMI in USA. *(note the word "National" on the badge in the middle of the horn grille at the top). Be warned though, there is no setting to run these on 120v, but they are built to a high standard. I would suggest that a G-80 unrestored but in reasonable, tidy condition and working ok would be very lucky to reach the $2k level, but that would be just an estimate, and probably an overly optomistic one. I think that looking at his other items, this very Non-PC kids book would be more value for money. * Looking further times seem to be tough in the antique and collectable housewares market, which is what this seller seems to specialise in. *You would think from watching "collectors" on ABC that this stuff would sell for a bit more. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-B...Capt-WE-Johns-... That guy also has a Wurlitzer OMT CD for 7k... Still seems a bit expensive but a little more reasonable I think than his G80. I have yet to see any National AMI jukes in good condition. Seems like we ran them into the ground here. My Australian Continental was in very rough shape when I got it. There were guys on the Sunshine Coast and Gold coast that did excellent restorations on models AFTER the G-200 as well as most models up to the JAL/JEL. This was up until about 2003-4 or so when as far as I know they stopped due to the difficulty in getting sales for them at the price that made it worthwhile to do the work. Models before and after these (including G's) were not restored to any great extent as they had much less market value, yet cost the same amount in time and labour to strip, overhaul and reassemble. These would be tidied up, electrically and mechanically overhauled and sold as working. I would estimate near 100 were done, some were AUS, but many were also USA models (were 120v mains). Now of course, these restorations are getting to 10-20 years old, and they may not still be in anywhere near the condition that they were when restored. |
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Retro vintage Rowe Ami R-80 jukebox stereo 200 selection 7"singles vinyl Dj 80s
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On 10/31/2018 01:10 PM, J.B. Wood wrote:
Arrrgggh....another 1970s era box where the customer couldn't see the inner workings. Hello, and I've got my foot in mouth. I've got your model confused with some similar ones. Your model should have a viewing window in the center. So AMI/Rowe must've thought some folks still wanted to see the works. Not really a bad looking box, either. Eating my previous words. Sincerely, -- J. B. Wood e-mail: |
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