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An Owl for Anka
On Mar 18, 7:56�pm, wrote:
On Mar 16, 2:10�pm, wrote: On Mar 16, 9:22 am, Reid Goldsborough wrote: From your neck of the woods, sort of, let me know if you ever come across a Bakrian Owl that's reasonable. Boy, are you dumb. �It's a Bactrian CAMEL. �;-) ~Anka Which made me realize: �All the camel images I can think of on Greek or Roman coins (mainly through personifications of Arabia) are of the dromedary or one-hump camel. �I don't think I've seen any representations of Bactrian (two-hump) camels on any ancient Western art at all, for that matter. �I guess the Bactrian camel wasn't nearly as familiar to ancient (Western) artists as the dromedary? But those wanting to see a Bactrian camel on ancient coinage are in luck. �The Kushans come through with this coin: http://www.grifterrec.com/coins/kush...ush_2887_r.jpg -Robert A. DeRose, Jr. "Will muse about ancient art for food (or coins)" With apologies to Ogden Nash: The one-humped camel - what a beast! The two-humped camel's from the East And I will bet my tooth enamel There isn't any three-humped camel. ~Anka |
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An Owl for Anka
On Mar 18, 7:56�pm, wrote:
On Mar 16, 2:10�pm, wrote: On Mar 16, 9:22 am, Reid Goldsborough wrote: From your neck of the woods, sort of, let me know if you ever come across a Bakrian Owl that's reasonable. Boy, are you dumb. �It's a Bactrian CAMEL. �;-) ~Anka Which made me realize: �All the camel images I can think of on Greek or Roman coins (mainly through personifications of Arabia) are of the dromedary or one-hump camel. �I don't think I've seen any representations of Bactrian (two-hump) camels on any ancient Western art at all, for that matter. �I guess the Bactrian camel wasn't nearly as familiar to ancient (Western) artists as the dromedary? But those wanting to see a Bactrian camel on ancient coinage are in luck. �The Kushans come through with this coin: http://www.grifterrec.com/coins/kush...ush_2887_r.jpg -Robert A. DeRose, Jr. "Will muse about ancient art for food (or coins)" With apologies to Ogden Nash: The one-humped camel's quite a beast! The two-humped camel's from the East. And I will bet my tooth enamel There isn't any three-humped camel. ~Anka |
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An Owl for Anka
About this Owl:
http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl4.jpg What can be said about it, with assurance, is "Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake." Other things: It's a curious fake. From its photo, it does indeed appear to be an attractive, and authentic, pre-Salamis archaic Owl, c. 490-482 BC, Sear 1842. In hand, it appears originally engraved rather than cast and, in the Bulgarian style, pressed rather than hand struck. It also appears to be silver. It's the correct diameter, but it's thin and light, weighing only 11.2 grams. The obvious question is, Why would the forger or forgery workshop who produced this well-made fake have skimped on something like $2 worth of silver when making it the correct weight would have made it "genuinely" deceptive? Maybe it was a trial piece, put out by one of the seven Bulgarian forgery workshops that Ilya Prokopov has documented in his books on ancient coin forgery emanating out of Bulgaria. I haven't seen this fake documented anywhere. Presumably pieces using the same die have been put out of the correct weight. Caveat emptor as always, in this case if you're in the market for a $5,000 ancient coin from the time that the West's embryonic experimentation with democracy and individual rights was saved from destruction by Persian tyranny. -- Consumer:http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur:http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit:http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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An Owl for Anka
Here's yet another Owl for Anka, another recent acquisition, another
piece I'd have no problem mouthing off about: http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl6.jpg So, anybody care to offer an opinion about what it is? Why is it interesting, or not? Authentic, or not? Weight and diameter to follow. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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An Owl for Anka
"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message ... Here's yet another Owl for Anka, another recent acquisition, another piece I'd have no problem mouthing off about: http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl6.jpg So, anybody care to offer an opinion about what it is? A coin. Why is it interesting, or not? Not interesting because it looks like a turd. But that's just me. Authentic, or not? Weight and diameter to follow. As if someone would try and fake that? |
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An Owl for Anka
On Mar 22, 11:29*am, "PC" wrote:
http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl6.jpg So, anybody care to offer an opinion about what it is? A coin. You're a smart guy. No wonder why you call yourself PC. What's your real name? Not interesting because it looks like a turd. *But that's just me. It is just you. |
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An Owl for Anka
About this coin:
http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl6.jpg It's ancient, it's authentic, but it's not official. It's a copy, an ancient copy, struck in all likelihood by the Sabeans of South Arabia, from Saba, which today is part of Yemen. Saba is best known from the Old Testament, where it's called Sheba, which is the English equivalent of Sh'va and is the transliteration of the Hebrew word for Saba. The story of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba appears not only in the Bible but is also cited by various ancient Assyrian, Greek, and Roman writers. Hearing of the great Jewish king's wisdom, the queen from the South traveled north, probably around 950-930 BC, to test the king with "hard questions." The meeting was a success, and the two nations began trading heavily with one another. The Sabeans also traded heavily with the Greeks, hence their copying the famous Athenian Owl tetradrachms some 700 years later. Earlier, perhaps around 4000 BC, Yemen is thought to be where the Semitic people originated, and much earlier, around 110,000 years ago, the locale that mankind reached first when migrating out of Africa This imitative Owl is among the first South Arabian coins. As with many regions at the time, the first coins were closely patterned after the known and widely used Owls that originated in Athens, among the leading trading, military, and cultural powers of the day, though Athens' peak power preceded the issuance of this coin. This coin was issued in the 4th or 3rd century BC and can be attributed as Munro-Hay Type 1.0.4 and as Huth 1. It's full weight at 16.8g and appears to be made of good silver. It closely copies official Athenian Intermediate Owls, though Athena's helmet, hair, and eye are styled more simply, Athena's nose is overlarge, the owl is squatter, and the "ATHE" ethnic is more crudely styled than on official Athenian issues. A tiny coarsely engraved A countermark appears on this specimen to right of owl's left leg. The porosity is much more evident in the photo than on the coin in hand, but I'm a little biased here. g -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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An Owl for Anka
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
About this coin: http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl6.jpg It's ancient, it's authentic, but it's not official. It's a copy, an ancient copy, struck in all likelihood by the Sabeans of South Arabia, from Saba, which today is part of Yemen. Saba is best known from the Old Testament, where it's called Sheba, which is the English equivalent of Sh'va and is the transliteration of the Hebrew word for Saba. The story of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba appears not only in the Bible but is also cited by various ancient Assyrian, Greek, and Roman writers. Hearing of the great Jewish king's wisdom, the queen from the South traveled north, probably around 950-930 BC, to test the king with "hard questions." The meeting was a success, and the two nations began trading heavily with one another. The Sabeans also traded heavily with the Greeks, hence their copying the famous Athenian Owl tetradrachms some 700 years later. Earlier, perhaps around 4000 BC, Yemen is thought to be where the Semitic people originated, and much earlier, around 110,000 years ago, the locale that mankind reached first when migrating out of Africa This imitative Owl is among the first South Arabian coins. As with many regions at the time, the first coins were closely patterned after the known and widely used Owls that originated in Athens, among the leading trading, military, and cultural powers of the day, though Athens' peak power preceded the issuance of this coin. This coin was issued in the 4th or 3rd century BC and can be attributed as Munro-Hay Type 1.0.4 and as Huth 1. It's full weight at 16.8g and appears to be made of good silver. It closely copies official Athenian Intermediate Owls, though Athena's helmet, hair, and eye are styled more simply, Athena's nose is overlarge, the owl is squatter, and the "ATHE" ethnic is more crudely styled than on official Athenian issues. A tiny coarsely engraved A countermark appears on this specimen to right of owl's left leg. The porosity is much more evident in the photo than on the coin in hand, but I'm a little biased here. g Neat. The coin is certainly no `turd' to my eye, and i'd be more than happy to have one of these (especially such a good example) in my collection, but as in all cases.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Ian |
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An Owl for Anka
Here's one last Owl for Anka, my latest acquisition, not yet
received ... can't wait. Actually I can, I have to, I have no choice. Anyway, I'm a little frustrated, Anka. I've provided all these Owls for you, five now including this latest, and in return all you've given back is one Roman Provincial tetradrachm illustrating some woman. I repeat, provincial, as in uncouth, boorish, and countrified. You can look it up. So, after this, no more Owls for you. Well, at least for now. This is my latest pride and joy, 17.05 grams stark naked, sold as VF but I'd grade it gVF: http://rg.ancients.info/misc/Owl7.jpg Glom on that crest. Amazing, awe-inspiring, breathtaking. Unlike many full-crest Classical Owls, on this one Athena is still well centered. Most Owls are missing the crest at the top of Athena's helmet because the obverse type or device on these coins almost always is too big to completely fit on the flan, and the crest is almost always what's missing. On this one, the crest is all there in all its glory, with the Attic helmet further adorned with a floral scroll (flowery design) and olive leaves, the floral scroll in all probability referring to the Greek victory over the Persians, the olive leaves to Athens' international olive oil trade, one of the reasons for her prosperity at the time. On the reverse, the owl symbolizes wisdom, the olive sprig oil, the crescent moon most likely the Battle of Salamis, which was more decisive in determining Athens' fate and its historical role as the fountainhead of democracy and individual rights than the more famous Battle of Marathon or Battle of Thermopylae. The owl is also well centered, though the AQE ethnic, which is short for "Of the Athenians," is weakly struck. Athena has a scratch on her cheek, though this appears to be accentuated in this photo because of the lighting. It'll be interesting to see how obvious this and the other marks are on her cheek appear on the coin in hand. And there are small digs at Athena's hair, also perhaps accentuated by the lighting, and in the floral scroll, perhaps softened by the lighting. We'll see... -- Consumer:http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur:http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit:http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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An Owl for Anka
On Mar 24, 3:52*pm, Ian wrote:
Neat. The coin is certainly no `turd' to my eye, and i'd be more than happy to have one of these (especially such a good example) in my collection, but as in all cases.....beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Thanks. I like her. -- Consumer:http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur:http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit:http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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