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defining line between Collecting & Collecting to Sell?
All this stuff with barefoot got me thinking... I know alot of people here sell autographs, and it got me wondering if people have a true defining line between autographs they collect to keep and autographs they collect to sell? Can the term "collecting" really be associated with autographs obtained for sale. what are your thoughts on this? MrB |
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Mr. Black,
Your bring up a great question. While working the shows, so many times, I get asked........ #1 Will this go up in Value? #2 Is this a good investment? #3 Is this a good one for down the road? #4 If I buy it now, is it a good time to get it? I think many collectors do hope to be able to sell their collections or certain items for a future profit. I also realize their are some who just ENJOY the hobby. My Honest answer when I get those questions is............ "Collect what you enjoy and no matter what happens down the road you will still be happy, as nobody can truly predict what the future will hold" Den http://hometown.aol.com/calrima/myhomepage/profile.html |
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Personally, if a celeb gives me a sig, I consider it a gift and they
trusted me to be responsible with it. Seeing as a lot get upset with selling, I try not to. By that I mean if I BOUGHT an autograph, I have no problem reselling it. Especially from cons. At that point it's a commodity and not a gift. However, I have recinded that a few scarce times admittingly when I've seen a collector very eager to have something because they love it. But I don't like doing so. I will trade though, but the same thing goes... I prefer to give or trade it to people I know love it and won't do anything netharious with it. You know, if it's given freely by the person, the holder can do as he or she wills with it However, that can upset the other person. So in order to maintain the balance for others, so they can get a ttm or in person, I try not to. Unfortuneately, MOST people do not feel the same and because of Ebay and the like, everyone is now charging for sigs or not signing. I've seen the worse of it in 2004 and 2005. I've never even seen this much greed and contempt. As a matter of fact, 25 Star Wars "extras" have recently come to light that are asking for money. ttm 25 year signers like Michael Culver and 3-4 year signer David Bowers this week started asking for cash. Other reports are Jack Klaff and two new found extra, who signed one or two are doing "private signings" for sites and my friend got an email from a Hoth trooper who has no more than 1 second of screen time and was told "if you want a signature, go to that webstie and buy one". This from a guy who a month ago was excited that someone knew he was in a movie and was more than happy to sign free. Then, alongs comes someone trying to profit and ruin the hobby, and now the guy won't sign without money in hand. And Lynne Hazeldine, let's not forget her, one who wants 30.00 for her sig and she's unidentifiable in the film. She says she's sitting down behind Billy Dee in one scene but you can only see HALF her face...lol. This happened because a collector turnd profiteer did a private signing with her. THIS IS WHAT IS RUINING THE HOBBY. I am frustrated, even a few crew members are charging now! Not only that, but if I must continue bitching, let me say how I truly feel.... if you want to make money, get a JOB. If you want to collect autographs because you like it, LEAVE IT A HOBBY and leave the money making out of it. It's costly enough for envelopes, stamps and photos as is and the buying and selling has sucked the absolute thrill of a celeb taking time for you.... right out of the whole damned thing! On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:08:39 +1000, "Mr Black" wrote: All this stuff with barefoot got me thinking... I know alot of people here sell autographs, and it got me wondering if people have a true defining line between autographs they collect to keep and autographs they collect to sell? Can the term "collecting" really be associated with autographs obtained for sale. what are your thoughts on this? MrB |
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am i still a collector since i do collect a lot of stuff...in fact, i
was asked at comic con why i don't care about the freebies at the show...and i put it this way. i collect autographs, it may be my profession, but if i collected everything else, i'd be broke. and to that i will say this. if i kept everything i got signed, i'd truly be broke. but i do have over 2000 signed photos in my collection...ranging from my huge view askew collection (kevin smith movie autographs) to star wars, lord of the rings (i believe that i have the most autographs on any lotr posters boasting 50 signatures on 2 different posters and 20+ on my return of the king- no crew members other than peter jackson and fran walsh) and all the incidental stuff from actors and sports people i like. a lot of it can't sell or won't sell anyway. most of it, no one's going to care about long after they've passed (does anyone know who mike metzger is? or have 3 magazines signed by a band called girls against boys-they were good at one time) i couldn't sell em if i tried anyway. and even though, my large metallica collection is worth a bunch of money, i don't think i could part with it if i wanted to. so even though like 90% of the stuff i get, i sell. it wasn't always like that...i still have the michael jordan signed photo that started it all anyway (he also signed my cast on my broken arm at the time, which is still sitting at my mom's house). and all the trips i've been on as a result of autographs ( a few trips to new york, the countless all star games and different golf tournaments. not to mention seeing EVERY major sporting event in person- all star baseball games, world series, 5 superbowls, game 6 of the nba finals in phoenix that should have been jordan's last game etc.) i wouldn't trade my collection for anything. even as i start on my journey to doing something else. the past is very nice and my collection really reflects what i've been doing forthe past 15 years. mike |
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I collect them for collecting. I wouldn't want to part with any of my
autographs. There are some duplicates I have, that I MIGHT be persuaded to sell, but not many. I certainly don't go to cons or events with the intent to get signatures to sell. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing that others do it. Sometimes there is no other way to get an autograph, and I have to buy it from a dealer. |
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true; going to cons can cost a lot of money. If I was going for myself
mainly and nearby where I didn't need to spend money on airline tickets, hotels and rental car, I'd help everyone free and probably not buy extras to sell. But sometimes, you go knowing you're spending a couple grand and that's just nuts by yourself. Unless you're rich. So I can see people going and buying stuff to sell. I have and still would as I am not rich. Funny though, my family seems to think so lately! LOL Anyway, there's nothing wrong with selling something you bought. It's yours to do with as you will. On 25 Jul 2005 06:55:02 -0700, "Cosmic Bob" wrote: I collect them for collecting. I wouldn't want to part with any of my autographs. There are some duplicates I have, that I MIGHT be persuaded to sell, but not many. I certainly don't go to cons or events with the intent to get signatures to sell. But that doesn't mean it's a bad thing that others do it. Sometimes there is no other way to get an autograph, and I have to buy it from a dealer. |
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I collect them for collecting. I wouldn't want to part with any of my
autographs. There are some duplicates I have, that I MIGHT be persuaded to sell, but not many. Me too. I get upset when autographs aren't personalised as they mean so much more when they are dedicated to me. It upsets me when I see on these forums people talking about ways to get names taken off so they can sell. Mind you this is not to say I haven't sold doubles in the past or swapped with other collectors -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Don't ever stop believing........ Never get tired of watching you, someday you will break through..... http://goodsbyjen.cjb.net/ |
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to this i will just say...
i hate personalizations...even on my personal stuff...one simple fact is...I KNOW MY OWN NAME. my collection isn't for showing off. in act, i only have a few piece framed (beastie boys album, nirvana magazine, paul newman pool ball, south park signed drawings and my kevin smith jason mewes combo (before i realized what easy autographs those 2 guys are) that's it. i have everything else in binders and protected very nicely...no intention to sell it, just don't see the need to show it all off...and who cares really, but me... and in all you folks defense...i believe this, the autograph really only has personal value if YOU GET IT YOURSELF. what kind of personal value do you get out of something you bought at a store, or off of ebay... it's the rich guys who thinks it's cool to have a johnny depp on their wall to show their friends..they are the ones who should pay...they lie about it anyway and say they got it themselves. it's ridiculous... mike |
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I only buy to finish my collections...for those I have no chance
getting in person, but I agree; what is the point of buying everything? I see little joy in it. Because if people see it and ask you and you said, yeah, Ebay.... the frist thing they're gonna do is suspect it's fake and even if they don't, they realize it's not special, that they too can log onto Ebay or a dealer site and buy. What's special is the letters... the personal communication, or the story of meeting someone. On 27 Jul 2005 18:52:00 -0700, "barefoot" wrote: f YOU GET IT YOURSELF. what kind of personal value do you get out of something you bought at a store, or off of ebay... it's the rich guys who thinks it's cool to have a johnny depp on their wall to show their friends..they are the ones who should pay...they lie about it anyway a |
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