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Old May 23rd 11, 01:41 AM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Chris[_11_]
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Default Envelopes with postage embossed on them

I've managed to get all the pages in my binders and have been soaking
stamps off of envelopes this weekend. I've run across some though that I
find interesting. These are actually embossed into an envelope with
postage, I haven't looked through my books yet to see if they're in
there though. Do these have a specific name and would they be in any
books? Are they actually worth anything?

Chris

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Old May 23rd 11, 04:47 AM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
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Chris wrote :
I've managed to get all the pages in my binders and have been soaking
stamps off of envelopes this weekend. I've run across some though
that I find interesting. These are actually embossed into an envelope
with postage, I haven't looked through my books yet to see if they're
in there though. Do these have a specific name and would they be in
any books? Are they actually worth anything?


Chris,

The generic term for these 'stamps' printed on a cover, postcard, ...is
imprinted stamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinted_stamp

When the stamp is embossed, one can call it embossed (postage) stamp,
sometimes also called indicium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embossing_(paper)

The US ones are - if I recall correctly - mentioned in the US
specialised Scott catalog.

In the begining of the 20th century, they were collected (as cut
squares) and stamp albums had room for them.

But nowadays, most people consider that - if separated from the cover -
they worth nothing.

In France, we call these covers (or post-cards) with a stamp printed
on them "entier postal" or "entier". They may be called "entire" in
English ???

BTW, welcome back to the hobby, Chris !

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Old May 23rd 11, 08:54 AM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
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On 23/05/2011 04:47, Pierre COURTIADE wrote:

In France, we call these covers (or post-cards) with a stamp printed
on them "entier postal" or "entier". They may be called "entire" in
English ???



We call them "postal stationery".


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Old May 23rd 11, 11:24 PM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Chris[_11_]
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On 05/22/2011 10:47 PM, Pierre COURTIADE wrote:
Chris wrote :
I've managed to get all the pages in my binders and have been soaking
stamps off of envelopes this weekend. I've run across some though
that I find interesting. These are actually embossed into an envelope
with postage, I haven't looked through my books yet to see if they're
in there though. Do these have a specific name and would they be in
any books? Are they actually worth anything?


Chris,

The generic term for these 'stamps' printed on a cover, postcard, ...is
imprinted stamp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imprinted_stamp

When the stamp is embossed, one can call it embossed (postage) stamp,
sometimes also called indicium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embossing_(paper)

The US ones are - if I recall correctly - mentioned in the US
specialised Scott catalog.

In the begining of the 20th century, they were collected (as cut
squares) and stamp albums had room for them.

But nowadays, most people consider that - if separated from the cover -
they worth nothing.

In France, we call these covers (or post-cards) with a stamp printed
on them "entier postal" or "entier". They may be called "entire" in
English ???

BTW, welcome back to the hobby, Chris !

Thanks! The ones I have look pretty common, 2 cent, 5 cent etc...I have
one Canadian and a few other US ones that look like they came off of
some pretty old postcards. I can see this is going to take me awhile to
get back into the swing of things. When I was home last month my mom
showed my my dad's collection that she's kept, he has I don't know how
many binders of stamps and first day covers. Going through the box she
gave me there are lots of foreign stamps that are there and also in the
book I started when I was a kid. I think I'll seperate all those by
country. I have a lot of the envelopes that you get when you're sent
stamps on approval that I can use.

Chris


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Old May 23rd 11, 11:29 PM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
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Default Envelopes with postage embossed on them

On 05/23/2011 09:52 AM, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:
Chris found these unused words:

I've managed to get all the pages in my binders and have been soaking
stamps off of envelopes this weekend. I've run across some though that I
find interesting. These are actually embossed into an envelope with
postage, I haven't looked through my books yet to see if they're in
there though. Do these have a specific name and would they be in any
books? Are they actually worth anything?

Chris


Unless your material [covers] are common, examine them for unusual features.
Postal History is an ever growing field and value is for the 'entire'.

Although not specific to your probable situation, one example might be a
Penny Red from GB.

A single, good 4 margin can be had for about $10, Plated will go for about
$60, on cover and plated, can run to $1,000!

With the embossed, it's best to keep the entire, some cut the embossing off
in a 2" x 2" square - called 'cut squares'. Easily albumed, but
significantly lessened in value.

Some one dealing with US and having the 'Specialized' can tell you the
ratio. Again, common is common, but make sure, first!

Thank you, I can see I'll be spending a lot of time getting back up to
speed again but that's ok, I need to get away from the television for
awhile.

Chris


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Old May 23rd 11, 11:57 PM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
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On 5/23/2011 10:52 AM, Sir F. A. Rien wrote:

With the embossed, it's best to keep the entire, some cut the embossing off
in a 2" x 2" square - called 'cut squares'. Easily albumed, but
significantly lessened in value.

Some one dealing with US and having the 'Specialized' can tell you the
ratio. Again, common is common, but make sure, first!


In Scott 2001 Specialized, the sections are "Stamped Envelopes and
Wrappers", U###; followed by "Postal Cards", UX###. In the US, USPS cut
squares seems to be more popular, and have a higher relative value, than
some other places. For some common items, both square and entire are
listed at minimal value. (Exception: cut squares for foreign air mail
sheets are not even listed.) The premium for entires is generally less
that 2x (less than I thought), ranging up to 4x and occasionally higher,
especially for rare mint items.

Terry Reedy


 




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