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Oval perforations GB-stamps?
From: amesh \(Mette\) )
Subject: Oval perforations GB-stamps? Newsgroups: rec.collecting.stamps.discuss Date: 2005-04-29 14:43:15 PST "amesh (Mette)" skrev i en meddelelse k... When did England introduce oval perforations? I have come across these stamps "Caernarfon Castle" http://queries.heindorffhus.dk/frame-Caernarfon.htm the first one -- SG 1411 -- being issued 1988 with normal perforations, and the second one -- right -- (when?) with oval perforations. Stupid me! Further catalogue studies have revealed that the oval perforations appear on SG 1611-1614, plus a note on 1993/6, the two different sets being Harrison and Enschedé printings, respectively. Both stamps are of the same design, but are clearly different, both in colour and the Queen's profile. What was the reason for issuing two stamps of the same design and face value, but yet so different? This question remains! How is the placename spelled correctly? The stamps say "Caernarfon" (with an f), but SG says "Caernarvon" (with a v) And so does this one! Regards Mette ================================================== ============================ Hello Mette: The Welsh spelling is with the "f". (now the preferred spelling) The English spelling is with the "v". (previously most commonly used) Just as we have NORGE and NOREG in Norway. Blair |
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"TC Blair" skrev i en meddelelse
om... Hello Mette: The Welsh spelling is with the "f". (now the preferred spelling) The English spelling is with the "v". (previously most commonly used) Just as we have NORGE and NOREG in Norway. Thanks Blair, excellent comparison :-) Mette |
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In a recent message "amesh \(Mette\)" wrote:
"TC Blair" skrev i en meddelelse om... Hello Mette: The Welsh spelling is with the "f". (now the preferred spelling) The English spelling is with the "v". (previously most commonly used) Just as we have NORGE and NOREG in Norway. Thanks Blair, excellent comparison :-) Mette I can go further. In the Welsh language, a single f is pronounced 'v' (as in this case). If you want the f to be pronounced as an f, the Welsh use 'ff' as in Ffestiniog. I believe that technically this should be written FFestiniog. Similarly, L is pronounced l as in like. LL is pronounced 'thl' D is pronounced d as in done. DD is pronounced in a way that is too difficult to write phonetically in English!!! A bit like 'thee' as in 'Get thee behind me Satan' The station called DDuallt on the Festiniog Railway (being enacted by an English act of parliament this is the correct spelling for the railway) is pronounced something like theeathlt -- Tony Clayton Coins of the UK : http://www.coinsoftheuk.info Sent using RISCOS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC .... Just another inmate in this ASYLUM!!! |
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I am not an expert on Welsh but I think that Ll is only pronounced THL
at the beginning of the word and in the middle of a word it is a sound that only exists for a native Welsh speaker and that a mere Englishman like me cannot even approximate. The thing which has always amazed me about Wales is that a large number of Welsh people are truly bilingual- a conversation between two bilingual welshmen can be carried on with several changes of language, sometimes in the middle of a sentence without any loss of meaning or nuance Regards Malcolm |
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What is the correct adopted nomenclature for these? Are they indeed perforated? and why? Thanks. | I am not an expert on Welsh but I think that Ll is only pronounced THL | at the beginning of the word and in the middle of a word it is a sound | that only exists for a native Welsh speaker and that a mere Englishman | like me cannot even approximate. | | The thing which has always amazed me about Wales is that a large | number of Welsh people are truly bilingual- a conversation between two | bilingual welshmen can be carried on with several changes of language, | sometimes in the middle of a sentence without any loss of meaning or | nuance | Regards | Malcolm | |
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"Rodney" wrote in message ... What is the correct adopted nomenclature for these? Are they indeed perforated? and why? Thanks. Royal Mail calls them ellipses, or elliptical perforations. In the sheet they are ellipses; on a single stamp they are half ellipses. They are a security feature to make life difficult for forgers. There have, however, been two forgeries of Machin stamps with this type of perforation. Douglas |
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Thankyou Douglas.
| What is the correct adopted nomenclature for these? | | Are they indeed perforated? and why? | Thanks. | | Royal Mail calls them ellipses, or elliptical perforations. In the | sheet they are ellipses; on a single stamp they are half ellipses. | They are a security feature to make life difficult for forgers. There | have, however, been two forgeries of Machin stamps with this type of | perforation. | | Douglas | |
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"Douglas Myall" skrev i en meddelelse
... "Rodney" wrote in message ... What is the correct adopted nomenclature for these? Are they indeed perforated? and why? Thanks. Royal Mail calls them ellipses, or elliptical perforations. In the sheet they are ellipses; on a single stamp they are half ellipses. They are a security feature to make life difficult for forgers. There have, however, been two forgeries of Machin stamps with this type of perforation. I seem to recall having read somewhere that those with normal perforations are from a booklet, and those with ellipses are from sheets. Am I totally off-track, or might this be the case in other countries than GB? On another note I can understand such security features for high value stamps, e.g. the 10-pounds stamp (SG 1658) with two elliptical holes on each horizontal side, but for the (generally) low value Machins it seems (to me) a bit over-cautious. Mette Douglas |
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"amesh" wrote in message k... "Douglas Myall" skrev i en meddelelse ... "Rodney" wrote in message ... What is the correct adopted nomenclature for these? Are they indeed perforated? and why? Thanks. Royal Mail calls them ellipses, or elliptical perforations. In the sheet they are ellipses; on a single stamp they are half ellipses. They are a security feature to make life difficult for forgers. There have, however, been two forgeries of Machin stamps with this type of perforation. I seem to recall having read somewhere that those with normal perforations are from a booklet, and those with ellipses are from sheets. Am I totally off-track, or might this be the case in other countries than GB? On another note I can understand such security features for high value stamps, e.g. the 10-pounds stamp (SG 1658) with two elliptical holes on each horizontal side, but for the (generally) low value Machins it seems (to me) a bit over-cautious. Mette The introduction of elliptical perforations to GB stamps is limited to definitives but not to any particular form of issue. Sheets, coils and booklets all have them. There was one exception when 25p sideways delivered coil stamps were conventionally perforated. This was because it was thought that the longer, 3-hole, ellipses might cause the web to break while it was being slit on the rollmaking machine. Ellipses are not applied to special stamps because Royal Mail considers it unlikely that these short-lived issues would attract the efforts of forgers Douglas. |
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