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Dik T. Winter wrote:
The current policy is that the euro will be adopted (so, no new Danmark, Sweden or UK), but a time-frame is lacking. Basically right, except that Sweden legally did not have the option to stay but simply chose to not meet the conditions ;-) Theoretically that may happen in the case of some of the new member states as well, but it is less likely. The only new country for which I read about a definite year was Malta, where the intended year of 2005 was changed to 2006. Well, the time frame largely depends on the economic development in those countries. But the currencies of Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania and Slovenia are members of the Exchange Rate Mechanism (ERM-2) along with the euro, with the Danish krone being more closely tied to the euro (2.25 percent fluctuation band, I think) than the kroon, the litas and the tolar (15 percent) ... Christian |
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? "Jorg Lueke" ?????? ??? ??????
news On 24 Sep 2004 07:11:48 -0700, John Stone wrote: http://servihoo.com/channels/kinews/...&CategoryID=47 What's the current prognosis for Turkey joining the EU economic union Not so brilliant. Although USofA is trying hardly to make it happen ;-) Please have a look: -------------- PARIS, France (Reuters) -- Turkey will not join the European Union for at least 15 years and could only do so once France had held a referendum on the issue, French Finance Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said on Sunday. "The membership of Turkey, in the best of cases, will not happen for 15 years," he told LCI television. "A decision as important as the membership of Turkey in Europe could only be taken after there had been a referendum in France." Sarkozy, who plans to quit the Finance Ministry in November to lead France's ruling conservative party, said he had reservations about Turkey joining the 25-member bloc. He was sceptical about the idea "not because it is a Muslim country but because Turkey alone represents the membership of the 10 countries (mainly) from eastern Europe," he said, referring to the countries that joined the bloc this year. Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Raffarin said Turkey had made progress in adjusting its laws and institutions to EU standards under Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan, but queried the overwhelmingly Muslim but secular state's ability to stay the course. Turkey cleared a hurdle on its path towards EU membership on Sunday when its parliament approved a new penal code which will boost women's rights and punish police more severely for torture. The European Commission is due to present an assessment on Oct. 6 of whether Turkey has met the political and economic criteria which would enable it to start negotiations. ------------------- and adopting the Euro? (EMU). Impossible for the next 25 years or even more! -- http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu"
wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Padraic. la cieurgeourea provoer mal trasfu ast meiyoer ke 'l andrext ben trasfu. |
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On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:31:48 -0400, Padraic Brown
wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu" wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Padraic. I think it would be wonderful if Turkey were to eventually join. The EU would certainly have a moderating influence on the more egregious Turkish policies and help stabilize a secular Islamic state. Over time, perhaps, we could even see a Mediterranean addendum to the EU with peaceful, democratic, stable Islamic and Christian countries joined together. |
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Jorg Lueke wrote in message ...
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:31:48 -0400, Padraic Brown wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu" wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Padraic. I think it would be wonderful if Turkey were to eventually join. The EU would certainly have a moderating influence on the more egregious Turkish policies and help stabilize a secular Islamic state. Over time, perhaps, we could even see a Mediterranean addendum to the EU with peaceful, democratic, stable Islamic and Christian countries joined together. I'm an optimist. I think that one day, all men will be brothers. Then we can decide what to do about the French. |
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Padraic Brown wrote in message . ..
On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu" wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Padraic. la cieurgeourea provoer mal trasfu ast meiyoer ke 'l andrext ben trasfu. I'm sure the National Front will welcome this idea with open arms. (smile face here). |
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Padraic, I sent to you an email, after deleting the NOSPAM, but it was
returned as undeliverable. What is your real email address? Tony "Jorg Lueke" wrote in message news On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:31:48 -0400, Padraic Brown wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu" wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Padraic. I think it would be wonderful if Turkey were to eventually join. The EU would certainly have a moderating influence on the more egregious Turkish policies and help stabilize a secular Islamic state. Over time, perhaps, we could even see a Mediterranean addendum to the EU with peaceful, democratic, stable Islamic and Christian countries joined together. |
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On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 11:50:12 -0500, "A.E. Gelat"
wrote: Padraic, I sent to you an email, after deleting the NOSPAM, but it was returned as undeliverable. What is your real email address? It seems to be correct except for the ".NOSPAM" bit: elemtilas [at] yahoo [dot] com And since my newsfeed seems to be acting up, I didn't see this reply earlier... Tony "Jorg Lueke" wrote in message news On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 19:31:48 -0400, Padraic Brown wrote: On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu" wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Padraic. I think it would be wonderful if Turkey were to eventually join. The EU would certainly have a moderating influence on the more egregious Turkish policies and help stabilize a secular Islamic state. Over time, perhaps, we could even see a Mediterranean addendum to the EU with peaceful, democratic, stable Islamic and Christian countries joined together. Indeed - that would be a Good Thing. Padraic. la cieurgeourea provoer mal trasfu ast meiyoer ke 'l andrext ben trasfu. |
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Padraic Brown wrote:
France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! France has a population of about 58 million, with about five million muslims. More than in other EU member states (Germany, pop. 82 million, has 3.2 million Muslims, for example) but still not that many ... Christian |
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? "Padraic Brown" ?????? ??? ??????
... On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 21:48:28 +0300, "gogu" wrote: Sarkozy made his comments after French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin voiced misgivings on Thursday about Turkey joining the bloc, asking if Europe really wanted "the river of Islam to enter the riverbed of secularism." Hah! France is practiacally a Muslim country, when compared to other large EU countries! They ought to get along with Turkish membership like a house afire! Well, I don't think so... Frenchies are not so delighted with the situation created in their country, so I wouldn't bet much on their pro-Turkish vote... And there is not only France opposing it, most of the other EU countries are not so favorable. And if you talk about *people* and *not* governments, well in that case the overwhelming majority is against that... And if the Euro-constitution is going to be adopted, then it will be needed the consensus of the 55% of the countries and the 65% of the population for something like that to happen. I say that would be quite difficult for Turkey to achieve. Well, we will live and see what is going to happen... -- http://gogu.enosi.org/index.html http://www.romclub.4t.com/rabin.html E' mai possibile, oh porco di un cane, che le avventure in codesto reame debban risolversi tutte con grandi puttane! F.d.A Padraic. la cieurgeourea provoer mal trasfu ast meiyoer ke 'l andrext ben trasfu. |
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