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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call
from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album that contained commemorative coins of the Chinese Zodiac. The salesman indicated their high collection value and offered to provide “drop-in service”. Upon seeing this album, Mr. Tian was beside himself and inspected it carefully. The album was packaged in a fancy box. Inside there were 5 silver coin bars commemorating the Year of the Ox, each were beset with a commemorative seal. Every coin and seal were marked as weighing 30 g and a 99.9% silver content. Mr. Tian also noticed that the box contained an inspection sampling document approved by the Province of Guangdong, though this document indicated only the original would be covered. “The salesman showed me the ticket price for the album which was marked at 5800 Yuan per set.” Finally after some negotiation, the salesman agreed to sell the set at a discounted price of 2000 Yuan. To ensure peace of mind, Mr. Tian brought the album he purchased to the inspection center at the City of Tangshan’s Quality Inspection Bureau of Gold, Jade and Other Precious Products in order to verify the authenticity of this set of coins. He was shocked by the results. The coins and seals that are individually marked to contain 99.9% silver in fact only contained a little over 1%. The principal materials found were copper, nickel, and zinc. Copper and zinc comprised, on average 40 to 50%, of the materials. Not only this, what was clearly marked as weighing 30 g, the actual weight of the individual coins and seals was only little more than 20 g, almost 10 g of difference. “Since this is a commemorative product, it must have a trade name. In addition the product must clearly indicate the amount of precious metal contained and the product’s issuance number. Numbers cannot overlap as each is unique and the total corresponds to the total issued. Moreover, every issue has a corresponding certificate of authenticity.” Ms. Xiaoling Zhou from the Quality Inspection Bureau at Tangshan indicated. The album that Mr. Tian purchased had no issuance number and certificate of authenticity. Without the certificate, the inspection document provided can only cover a batch sample but cannot serve as an authenticity certificate for the commemorative album that Mr. Tian had purchased. Ms. Zhou also expressed that under current government standard, the highest silver content allowed in silver products is 99.0%. The 99.9% silver content standard does not exist. Accordingly, the inspection center at Tangshan’s Quality Inspection Bureau of Gold, Jade and Other Precious Products has specifically warned avid collectors about things to look for before purchasing precious metal commemorative coins. Buyers need to understand among other things the total number of issues, specific dimensions, the amount of precious metal content, designs on both sides, the minting facility, and the packaging of each set of coins that are issued by specific governmental organizations. Having this knowledge will facilitate the inspection process when making a purchase. The coin’s actual weight must match with the standard weight. If there is a significant difference, it is safe to assume that the coin is false. Furthermore, it is very important to demand for the certificate of authenticity which is the only piece of document that explicitly states all the official coin data including the issuance number. This certificate should be stored for safekeeping. If there’s doubt over the authenticity of the product, it should be taken into an inspection center for verification as soon as possible. source: http://www.fakecoin.info a href="http://china-mint.info/fakechinesecoinsellers.html"more fake coin images & articles./a |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
On Jan 23, 3:26*pm, mango wrote:
Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
In article , Mike Marotta wrote:
On Jan 23, 3:26=A0pm, mango wrote: Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." one every minute. |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
"Mike Marotta" wrote in message ... On Jan 23, 3:26 pm, mango wrote: Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." I predict that we will soon see counterfeit coins being sold on ebay by sellers in China. :-) Billy |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
note.boy wrote:
"Mike Marotta" wrote in message ... On Jan 23, 3:26 pm, mango wrote: Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." I predict that we will soon see counterfeit coins being sold on ebay by sellers in China. :-) Billy You just said that to make me feel bad, didn't you? That won't really happen, will it? Please tell us you're joking! James the Worried |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
"note.boy" wrote in message ... "Mike Marotta" wrote in message ... On Jan 23, 3:26 pm, mango wrote: Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." I predict that we will soon see counterfeit coins being sold on ebay by sellers in China. :-) Billy Dammit, another manufacturing job outsourced to China. It should be American workers coining those counterfeits. |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... note.boy wrote: "Mike Marotta" wrote in message ... On Jan 23, 3:26 pm, mango wrote: Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." I predict that we will soon see counterfeit coins being sold on ebay by sellers in China. :-) Billy You just said that to make me feel bad, didn't you? That won't really happen, will it? Please tell us you're joking! James the Worried Feel free to buy vast quantities of USA 1804 dollars from ebay sellers based in China, you have nothing to fear. I'm only too happy to put your mind at ease. Don't forget to ask for combined postage if you buy more than 100. Billy |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
note.boy wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... note.boy wrote: "Mike Marotta" wrote in message ... On Jan 23, 3:26 pm, mango wrote: Recently while busy at work, Mr. Tian suddenly received a phone call from a stranger, who wanted to sell him a type of commemorative album I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you! How long has this been going on? Mike M. Michael E. Marotta "Your winnings, M'sieur ..." I predict that we will soon see counterfeit coins being sold on ebay by sellers in China. :-) Billy You just said that to make me feel bad, didn't you? That won't really happen, will it? Please tell us you're joking! James the Worried Feel free to buy vast quantities of USA 1804 dollars from ebay sellers based in China, you have nothing to fear. I'm only too happy to put your mind at ease. Don't forget to ask for combined postage if you buy more than 100. Billy I betcha that for a slight additional charge I could get these without the countermark: http://tinyurl.com/cb9peh James |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
Anybody here have a 1799 Draped Bust large cent? How about one in
MS-62 Red condition? The Red Book doesn't list these at grades higher than EF-40. A fellow collector loaned me one to look at and document online. Only it as you likely suspected isn't a product of the U.S. Mint but is Chinese in origin. It's one of the fakes from the Big Tree Coin Factory in Fujian, China, the outfit that Susan Headley exposed so well. This die transfer forgery is the exact weight (10.88g, well within the excepted deviation from the published weight of 10.89g), the exact diameter (also within the accepted range), and unmarked with a COPY mark. I haven't photographed it yet, but I've showed it to several dealers, and the only real diagnostic is that the rim is too squared off. Dangerous. And very cool. I suspect/hope there are other diagnostics as well, which early copper specialists and authenticity experts at the grading services would be able to pick up. This brings up the old dilemma with regard to forgeries, about how documenting them and providing diagnostics gives helpful information to collectors while at the same time making it possible for forgers to create ever more deceptive fakes. PCGS with its Coin Grading and Counterfeiting Detection book wrestled I'm sure with this as well, as did editors of the Bulletin on Counterfeits/Counterfeit Coin Bulletin when it was still being published. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Fake Chinese Silver Lunar Ox Story
Reid Goldsborough wrote:
Anybody here have a 1799 Draped Bust large cent? How about one in MS-62 Red condition? The Red Book doesn't list these at grades higher than EF-40. The condition census shows a choice AU-50 to be the finest known, followed by two average VF-30s. They quickly go downhill from there, all the way to VG-8. A fellow collector loaned me one to look at and document online. Only it as you likely suspected isn't a product of the U.S. Mint but is Chinese in origin. It's one of the fakes from the Big Tree Coin Factory in Fujian, China, the outfit that Susan Headley exposed so well. This die transfer forgery is the exact weight (10.88g, well within the excepted deviation from the published weight of 10.89g), the exact diameter (also within the accepted range), and unmarked with a COPY mark. I haven't photographed it yet, but I've showed it to several dealers, and the only real diagnostic is that the rim is too squared off. Dangerous. And very cool. I suspect/hope there are other diagnostics as well, which early copper specialists and authenticity experts at the grading services would be able to pick up. The fact that it is such a high grade is all the diagnostic necessary to identify it as a fake. It's the ones that are artificially aged that are the more dangerous. This brings up the old dilemma with regard to forgeries, about how documenting them and providing diagnostics gives helpful information to collectors while at the same time making it possible for forgers to create ever more deceptive fakes. PCGS with its Coin Grading and Counterfeiting Detection book wrestled I'm sure with this as well, as did editors of the Bulletin on Counterfeits/Counterfeit Coin Bulletin when it was still being published. It's the age-old race between the lockmakers and the lockpickers, writ large. James |
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