Courage - A Tale of Two Goldsboroughs

Several years ago a new poster showed up using the handle
criticizing the auctions of an eBay seller. This seller
sold quite a few coins in slabs of a particular bottom tier grading
service and the poster claimed their auction images were manipulated
to make the coins look better.

A short time later another new poster, billw, showed up claiming to be
VP and general counsel for the eBay seller's company. Billw said he
was interested in contacting asaacg as well as another poster and "Jay
Lieberman aka Reid Goldsborough".

A number of regulars responded to his post, things got a bit heated
and billw got a bit testy.

A couple of months later Reid Goldsborough wrote a magazine article
titled, "How to keep from embarrassing yourself online". It's
online....you can Google it, just turn off your hypocrisy meter first.

In the article Reid, without revealing the newsgroup or any names,
uses the episode as an example of how not to behave online. He also
mentions that he placed a phone call to billw.

This begs the question....during the course of the phone conversation
did Reid Goldsborough tell billw that he (Reid) had posted to that
very same thread himself criticizing billw's behavior and his
company's tactics......using the name Jay Berman?

Since Goldsborough didn't have the balls to use his real name to
criticize someone who claimed to be an attorney.....my guess is NO.

You are now getting very desperate to get one over on him as your realise
that your arguments re counterfeit coins have now been soundly spanked.

Reid, please allow Phil a small victory of some kind, thank you, it's nice
to be nice.

Oddly if I bottom post to Phil's posts my spell checker does not work.
Billy



"Phil DeMayo" wrote in message
...
Several years ago a new poster showed up using the handle
criticizing the auctions of an eBay seller. This seller
sold quite a few coins in slabs of a particular bottom tier grading
service and the poster claimed their auction images were manipulated
to make the coins look better.

A short time later another new poster, billw, showed up claiming to be
VP and general counsel for the eBay seller's company. Billw said he
was interested in contacting asaacg as well as another poster and "Jay
Lieberman aka Reid Goldsborough".

A number of regulars responded to his post, things got a bit heated
and billw got a bit testy.

A couple of months later Reid Goldsborough wrote a magazine article
titled, "How to keep from embarrassing yourself online". It's
online....you can Google it, just turn off your hypocrisy meter first.

In the article Reid, without revealing the newsgroup or any names,
uses the episode as an example of how not to behave online. He also
mentions that he placed a phone call to billw.

This begs the question....during the course of the phone conversation
did Reid Goldsborough tell billw that he (Reid) had posted to that
very same thread himself criticizing billw's behavior and his
company's tactics......using the name Jay Berman?

Since Goldsborough didn't have the balls to use his real name to
criticize someone who claimed to be an attorney.....my guess is NO.

On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:21:36 GMT, "note.boy"
wrote:

You are now getting very desperate to get one over on him as your realise
that your arguments re counterfeit coins have now been soundly spanked.

DeMayo is not only desperate but obsessed and irrational, unable to
reason, unable to listen to reason, never altering his views, skewing
anything and everything that refutes him, ignoring anything and
everything that refutes him, making threats, denying he's making
threats, sabotaging threads, denying he's sabotaging threads, and now
breaking out a new thread about an incident that happened more than
SIX YEARS AGO and was discussed in great length at the time, with all
the reasons spelled out for what happened, all the details revealed
.... six years ago. Can you spell "deranged." Put yourself in his head
and be very thankful.

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"Reid Goldsborough" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:21:36 GMT, "note.boy"
wrote:

You are now getting very desperate to get one over on him as your realise
that your arguments re counterfeit coins have now been soundly spanked.

DeMayo is not only desperate but obsessed and irrational, unable to
reason, unable to listen to reason, never altering his views, skewing
anything and everything that refutes him, ignoring anything and
everything that refutes him, making threats, denying he's making
threats, sabotaging threads, denying he's sabotaging threads, and now
breaking out a new thread about an incident that happened more than
SIX YEARS AGO and was discussed in great length at the time, with all
the reasons spelled out for what happened, all the details revealed
... six years ago. Can you spell "deranged." Put yourself in his head
and be very thankful.


Reid;
I checked the article Phil cites that you wrote, apparently you did write
it. Who would have known in 2001 that you were thinking of Phil to a Tee
when you wrote the final paragraph in this article quoted he

""* The more interesting your life becomes, the less you post.., and vice
versa. Internet discussion groups at times appear to be founts of
perspicacity and wisdom, at other times the ultimate refuge for sociopaths
releasing years of pent-up frustration."

Your a psychic and a pretty damned good one, can I get my stock advice from
you? :}

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_n21321276
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_n21321276

How to avoid embarrassing yourself online
Office Solutions, Mar 2002 by Goldsborough, Reid

* If you post and pretend to be a fool, people will believe you.

* Lurk until you get a feel for what's acceptable in a particular
discussion group, then leap in and do the opposite.

* When people post deliberately inflammatory messages, they have no
control over whether they succeed. You do.

* A person who says, "Sorry, I had to point that out to you," is
always telling two lies.

* People always start out equal in Internet discussion groups. The
playing field is level, and if you object to it, you reveal your
inferiority.

* You're a vibrant, intelligent, and unique individual with a great
deal to contribute. So is everyone else.

* If you post something funny or clever or wise, keep in mind that
you're about the 4,000th person to do so.

* The exclamation point denotes emphasis. The double exclamation point
denotes that you think your concerns are more important than anyone
else's.

* Use the smiley-which looks like this: -) and is a sideways
representation of a smiling face-to your advantage. You can call
anyone just about anything as long as you include the smiley. With
really nasty attacks, add "No flames, please."

* If you can't say something nice about someone, say it on the
Internet.

* When in doubt, insult.

* Saying "grow up" or "get a life" always does just the reverse. You
don't stop a flame war by pouring on gasoline.

* The best way to quash a flame war is to ignore it. If a flame
happens in a vacuum, it won't burn.

* If you want to win a flame war, look good in the eyes of a
reasonable person. Instead of invective, use logic; instead of
mindless bravado, use mindful self-deprecation; instead of fury, use
humor.

* Fabricate things about your opponent. You can make your lies sound
true by prefacing your statements with the word clearly.

* The more interesting your life becomes, the less you post ... and
vice versa.

* Internet discussion groups at times appear to be founts of
perspicacity and wisdom; at other times, the ultimate refuge for
sociopaths releasing years of pent-up frustration.

* The demise of Internet discussion groups is imminent-and always will
be.

Reid Goldsborough is a syndicated columnist and author of the book
Straight Talk About the Information Superhighway.
He can be reached at or
http://members.home.net/reidgold.

Copyright Quality Publishing, Inc. Mar 2002
Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights
Reserved

Goldsborough, R. 2001. How to keep from embarassing yourself online.
Black Issues in Higher Education, 18: 47, ISBN: 07420277

In 'How to Keep From Embarrassing Yourself Online', Goldsborough
delves into the naivety of company spokespersons in the world of
online corporate communication. His piece centralizes around an
example of a company that receives various complaints from the public
online. This particular company, without any names mentioned, then
hires a particularly aggressive lawyer who is in no way savvy with the
ways of corporate 'netiquette', triggering strong outrage from the
virtual community and a significant loss of customers from the
organisation. The author then uses a list of 16 points, to
demonstrate, in an increasingly virtually-orientated world, how
releases to both the public and the press over the internet should be
conducted. These points range from indicating the stock-standard
necessities of online communication and netiquette, such as not
'flaiming' (insulting people online) and using higher and lower case
letters appropriately, to more corporate approaches such as
appropriate paragraphing and the removal of casual gestures such as
the use of 'smilies'. Goldsborough uses humour incredibly well to
convey his message of using old techniques of etiquette and analysing
the context of a situation, even if the audience are not seen. He
advises that texts such as "The Guide for Posting to Newsgroups" and
"The Usenet Guide to Power Posting" be implemented more within the
world of corporate communications and public relations.

http://wiki.media-culture.org.au/ind...Dominic_Jarvis