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Two unusual items for E-Bay
Got two somewhat unusual items for e-bay
One is a George Jensen fountain pen. Presumably made by Edward Todd or Hutcheon or Swan or someone. (Possibly not E.T as it doesn't have their mark on it, - unless George Jensen just didn't want anyone else's logo on their pen?) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=2544916 975 The other I haven't put up yet as I hadn't come across it either and didn't know how to categorise it at all??? It is marked Pendora and looks like one of those Melbi or Spohr glass nib pens. But if you look closely, it is actually a ball point with a terrific 1940s (i.e. late) art deco clip. Most interestingly (pen collectors will find this point the only point of interest in this pen!) it is a piston filler! Has anyone ever seen a ball point designed to be filled? And if so, before the introduction of the roller ball at least 30 years later, with what? Was oil-based ink ever sold commercially? I know that pen people who were reluctant to throw away their new modern marvels used to mix their own oil based ink even back in the 1940s, but was this stuff ever sold? Or was the position that this pen just never worked properly for very long? It is marked Pendora and FOREIGN (which, for those who didn't know these things, was how things made to be sold in England tended to be marked: When passport controls came in at Calais and the French government immigration officials found huge numbers of Englishmen coming through the channel marked for the locals, they started asking these Englishmen why they were coming through the channel for locals: They all replied that they saw two signs they didn't understand but that one said that it was for foreigners and they knew that they CERTAINLY weren't foreigners so they went through the other channel. There again, it was quite common in the 19th Century for short weather reports to appear in English newspapers saying "FOG OVER CHANNEL: CONTINENT CUT OFF AGAIN")) Licensed to Quill (I still find it difficult to believe that anyone actually pays money to COLLECT ball points and this is clearly evidenced by the huge amount of lack of bidding on E-Bay whenever anything other than a current-use model comes up) |
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Has anyone ever seen a ball point designed to be filled? And if so, before the introduction of the roller ball at least 30 years later, with what? Yes...the German's developed these in the later 1930s. Note it has a ruby bearing - not steel. This was due to the fact that extreme wear would occur and only a diamond type bearing would resist it. Later many more were made...but the earliest had an angled point so that a fountain pen user could readily adapt to the new ball tip (which works best if held slightly off angle by a couple degrees or so to the perpendicular). Frequently the feed consisted of spiraled gold foil reminiscent of the Russian spiral feeds of 1900-1905 yet MUCH smaller. Frank knows a lot about these piston filled rollers as well. The most recent versions were made by ken-pen I believe...and were cartridge or convertor filled. They can be extraordinarily smooth writing pens. They are not ball points - but unique nibbed fountain pens. I would never insult a ruby tipped pen by calling it a simple "ball point"...rather it is a ruby bearing fountain pen that uses normal ink (a few drops of glycerin helps with these...but NEVER use thick modern dye infested ink - try to stick with skrip or these will clog quickly). |
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Licensed to Quill wrote:
Has anyone ever seen a ball point designed to be filled? And if so, before the introduction of the roller ball at least 30 years later, with what? Was oil-based ink ever sold commercially? I know that pen people who were reluctant to throw away their new modern marvels used to mix their own oil based ink even back in the 1940s, but was this stuff ever sold? Or was the position that this pen just never worked properly for very long? It is marked Pendora and FOREIGN They use regular fountain pen ink and I got about 20 in my collection from simple black ones to fantastic multi colored and Vac plastic style lamanited versions. All are piston fillers and all are working. I've had a couple in daily use for many years. Realy cool and one could argue if they were they first ballpoints or first roller balls. The were introduced in Germany in the mid 1930s and were briefly brought back after the War as well. They all seem to be German made. As Nathan says they all seem to use a ruby or other form of jeweled ball for a writing tip. Some include internal mesh filters to avoid cloging the ball/seat with any debri that could be in the ink. AS found most need really extensive cleaning to operate, but most will work nicely once any dried ink is cleared out. Beyond those I have seen a couple of noname crappy refillable oil based ink ballpoints from the 1940s with complex external hypo needle style fillers and ink in a toothpaste style tube. My guess is such pens were soon useless and never worked at all after a couple years due to ink dry out and ball wear. Frank |
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Thanks guys: Looks like I should give it a real cleaning in a sonic bath and
have a closer look inside that 'glass' 'spiral' L2Q wrote in message ... Licensed to Quill wrote: Has anyone ever seen a ball point designed to be filled? And if so, before the introduction of the roller ball at least 30 years later, with what? Was oil-based ink ever sold commercially? I know that pen people who were reluctant to throw away their new modern marvels used to mix their own oil based ink even back in the 1940s, but was this stuff ever sold? Or was the position that this pen just never worked properly for very long? It is marked Pendora and FOREIGN They use regular fountain pen ink and I got about 20 in my collection from simple black ones to fantastic multi colored and Vac plastic style lamanited versions. All are piston fillers and all are working. I've had a couple in daily use for many years. Realy cool and one could argue if they were they first ballpoints or first roller balls. The were introduced in Germany in the mid 1930s and were briefly brought back after the War as well. They all seem to be German made. As Nathan says they all seem to use a ruby or other form of jeweled ball for a writing tip. Some include internal mesh filters to avoid cloging the ball/seat with any debri that could be in the ink. AS found most need really extensive cleaning to operate, but most will work nicely once any dried ink is cleared out. Beyond those I have seen a couple of noname crappy refillable oil based ink ballpoints from the 1940s with complex external hypo needle style fillers and ink in a toothpaste style tube. My guess is such pens were soon useless and never worked at all after a couple years due to ink dry out and ball wear. Frank |
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"Licensed to Quill" wrote: Got two somewhat unusual items for e-bay One is a George Jensen fountain pen. Presumably made by Edward Todd or Hutcheon or Swan or someone. (Possibly not E.T as it doesn't have their mark on it, - unless George Jensen just didn't want anyone else's logo on their pen?) Not surprising if Jensen & Co. didn't want another maker's mark on their pen. Reminds me of a more modern Georg Jensen pen, this one made by Aurora, which I won on eBay- only to have the seller never ever respond to multiple emails. Must not have gotten the price s/he wanted, I suppose. I wasn't out any money, but missed out on a pen that would have thrilled my Danish-extraction wife who happens to be a huge GT fan. :-( Good luck with this one, it's way too rich for my wallet. |
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