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Old July 1st 03, 05:20 PM
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On 30 Jun 2003 20:41:25 GMT, unity (DBoyd001) wrote:

I believe (don't quote me please) that the UPU rules require a numeral
value on stamps used in international mail. I've known of instances where a
lettered stamp (you know... A, B, etc) have gone through the mail without
problems. That may go by the board as UK has E stamps for mail to the
continent (Therefore international). I'd say check with your postmaster, but
they may know less than your average contributer to this ng.

Dave
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Introduce the hobby of collecting stamps to someone.
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I have received mail from the UK with multiple "1st" and "2nd"
denominations to make up the rate to Canada. No problem.

Blair



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Old July 2nd 03, 04:29 AM
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"John O'Brien" wrote in message
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Does anyone know what USPS' present position is with respect to the use
of non-denominated stamps on international mail ? Thanks.


I believe that USPS regulations now permit the use of non-denominated stamps
on international mail. I don't recall exactly when the rules were changed,
but it was at least as long ago as the beginning of the 33c first class rate
period. Of course, whether or not your local postal clerk is aware of the
regulation change is a complete crap-shoot. The trickle down effect may
take several generations.

Tom McFarland



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Old July 3rd 03, 05:38 AM
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On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:29:27 -0400, "Tom McFarland"
wrote:


"John O'Brien" wrote in message
...
Does anyone know what USPS' present position is with respect to the use
of non-denominated stamps on international mail ? Thanks.


I believe that USPS regulations now permit the use of non-denominated stamps
on international mail. I don't recall exactly when the rules were changed,
but it was at least as long ago as the beginning of the 33c first class rate
period. Of course, whether or not your local postal clerk is aware of the
regulation change is a complete crap-shoot. The trickle down effect may
take several generations.

Tom McFarland



Tom :

It is more to do with UPU regulations than USPS regulations.

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Old July 3rd 03, 09:45 AM
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"Tom McFarland" wrote in message ...
"John O'Brien" wrote in message
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Does anyone know what USPS' present position is with respect to the use
of non-denominated stamps on international mail ? Thanks.


I believe that USPS regulations now permit the use of non-denominated stamps
on international mail. I don't recall exactly when the rules were changed,
but it was at least as long ago as the beginning of the 33c first class rate
period. Of course, whether or not your local postal clerk is aware of the
regulation change is a complete crap-shoot. The trickle down effect may
take several generations.

Tom McFarland


Hi

I regularly use 1st and 2nd denominated stamps from the UK to
worldwide destinations made up with various low value definitves to
offer variety to the recipients due to the usual non-availability of
commemoratives at my local post office. I usually use booklet NVI
stamps then hand the envelope over the counter to have it made up to
the correct rate. I have never had a problem although I do know that
when these stamps first appeared they were not valid on international
mail. I think now so many countries are introducing these stamps that
the UPU has had to accept them as the norm.

Malcolm Hirst
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Old July 3rd 03, 09:00 PM
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John O'Brien wrote:
Does anyone know what USPS' present position is with respect to the use
of non-denominated stamps on international mail ? Thanks.


From the USPS International Mail Manual, section 152.2a:

Nondenominated postage stamps (except for those that bear uniquely
domestic markings, such as First-Class Presort, Bulk Rate, Presorted
Standard, or Nonprofit Organization) may be affixed to postal items that
are sent to foreign countries. The value of such stamps is linked to
either a current or a former domestic rate (e.g., the “H” stamp has a
postage value of $0.33). Since the international postage rates are
always higher than the comparable domestic postage rates, mailers
who affix a single nondenominated postage stamp to their outbound
mailpieces must add additional postage to comply with the international
rate schedule. Note: The nondenominated Breast Cancer Research
semipostal stamp, which has a postage value that is equivalent to the
domestic rate for 1-ounce letter, may be used for international mailing
purposes.

= Eric

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Old July 4th 03, 11:57 AM
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Douglas MYALL wrote:

The UK non-denominated stamps (usually called Non Value Indicators, or
NVIs) may be used to prepay the cost of the indicated service (or the same
value toward a higher tariff) at any time regardless of when they were
purchased. Thus a 1ST NVI bought for 19p in 1989 may be used today to
prepay the same service which now costs 29p. Is this a unique feature of
GB NVIs? Do the USA non-denominated stamps have the same built-in hedge
against tariff increases? Do those of any other country?


As far as I know:

The French "red Mariannes" without any letter or number denomination
do - they are validi the amount which is to be paid for ordinary letters
to domestic and European destinations no matter whether they were bought
for 2.80 FRF or 0.50 EUR.
The US "letter-denominated" stamps are valid a fixed amount which can
be looked up in tables, so no hedge there. But those which bear an
inscription like "first class service" are valid at the amount which
is set for this particular service.
However, I can not guarantee that the above is really correct, it
refelcts only what I gathered from various sources.

Jan-Martin

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Old July 4th 03, 04:26 PM
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Douglas MYALL wrote:
Eric Bustad wrote in article
...

John O'Brien wrote:

Does anyone know what USPS' present position is with respect to the


use

of non-denominated stamps on international mail ? Thanks.


From the USPS International Mail Manual, section 152.2a:

Nondenominated postage stamps (except for those that bear uniquely
domestic markings, such as First-Class Presort, Bulk Rate, Presorted
Standard, or Nonprofit Organization) may be affixed to postal items that
are sent to foreign countries. The value of such stamps is linked to
either a current or a former domestic rate (e.g., the “H” stamp has a
postage value of $0.33). Since the international postage rates are
always higher than the comparable domestic postage rates, mailers
who affix a single nondenominated postage stamp to their outbound
mailpieces must add additional postage to comply with the international
rate schedule. Note: The nondenominated Breast Cancer Research
semipostal stamp, which has a postage value that is equivalent to the
domestic rate for 1-ounce letter, may be used for international mailing
purposes.



The UK non-denominated stamps (usually called Non Value Indicators, or
NVIs) may be used to prepay the cost of the indicated service (or the same
value toward a higher tariff) at any time regardless of when they were
purchased. Thus a 1ST NVI bought for 19p in 1989 may be used today to
prepay the same service which now costs 29p. Is this a unique feature of
GB NVIs? Do the USA non-denominated stamps have the same built-in hedge
against tariff increases? Do those of any other country?

Douglas


The US non-denominated stamps do not have this feature -- the "H" stamp
has and will always have a postal value of 33 cents. The only exception
is the Breast Cancer semi-postal stamp. It is _supposed_ to be worth
only the price of a first-class stamp as of the date it was purchased,
but in practice once can use it for the current first-class rate.

= Eric

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Old July 4th 03, 09:21 PM
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True, US non-denominated stamps retain their original value when issued, but
are still valid for postage. This creates a horrible mess. The USPS has a
pamphlet issued for the use of postal employees that gives the franking
value of each ND stamp. I can understand the reason for their not going up
in value to the current postage rate. If ND stamps became valid for the
current first-class rate, they would be a better investment than CDs.
However, using them to take advantage of the profit will be a major problem,
eventually ending with the sale of excess stocks at a discount, this
negating the whole idea.

Tony

"Eric Bustad" wrote in message
...
Douglas MYALL wrote:
Eric Bustad wrote in article
...

John O'Brien wrote:

Does anyone know what USPS' present position is with respect to the


use

of non-denominated stamps on international mail ? Thanks.

From the USPS International Mail Manual, section 152.2a:

Nondenominated postage stamps (except for those that bear uniquely
domestic markings, such as First-Class Presort, Bulk Rate, Presorted
Standard, or Nonprofit Organization) may be affixed to postal items that
are sent to foreign countries. The value of such stamps is linked to
either a current or a former domestic rate (e.g., the “H” stamp has a
postage value of $0.33). Since the international postage rates are
always higher than the comparable domestic postage rates, mailers
who affix a single nondenominated postage stamp to their outbound
mailpieces must add additional postage to comply with the international
rate schedule. Note: The nondenominated Breast Cancer Research
semipostal stamp, which has a postage value that is equivalent to the
domestic rate for 1-ounce letter, may be used for international mailing
purposes.



The UK non-denominated stamps (usually called Non Value Indicators, or
NVIs) may be used to prepay the cost of the indicated service (or the

same
value toward a higher tariff) at any time regardless of when they were
purchased. Thus a 1ST NVI bought for 19p in 1989 may be used today to
prepay the same service which now costs 29p. Is this a unique feature of
GB NVIs? Do the USA non-denominated stamps have the same built-in hedge
against tariff increases? Do those of any other country?

Douglas


The US non-denominated stamps do not have this feature -- the "H" stamp
has and will always have a postal value of 33 cents. The only exception
is the Breast Cancer semi-postal stamp. It is _supposed_ to be worth
only the price of a first-class stamp as of the date it was purchased,
but in practice once can use it for the current first-class rate.

= Eric



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Old July 8th 03, 01:23 AM
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UPU regulations were changed years ago to no longer prohibit
non-denominated stamps in international mail.

The USPS website has a page where it shows the nondenominated stamps
and their respective values.

The first A and B issues of the US were not valid in international
mail, but the USPS, through the Military Postal Services Agency in
Alexandria VA, made an arrangement with the German post office for the
Germans to recognize and accept nondenominated stamps on mail
addressed to German addresses, because the military post offices in
Germany had large stocks. The US concessionary international mail
rate from APO and FPO New York military post offices in western Europe
to western European CEPT/PostEurop countries is the current US
domestic rate - the Germans were seeing a lot of the "invalid" A and B
stamps.

Regards,

Len Nadybal





On 30 Jun 2003 20:41:25 GMT, unity (DBoyd001) wrote:

I believe (don't quote me please) that the UPU rules require a numeral
value on stamps used in international mail. I've known of instances where a
lettered stamp (you know... A, B, etc) have gone through the mail without
problems. That may go by the board as UK has E stamps for mail to the
continent (Therefore international). I'd say check with your postmaster, but
they may know less than your average contributer to this ng.

Dave
Use commemorative stamps on ALL your mail.
Introduce the hobby of collecting stamps to someone.
Above all, enjoy your hobby regardless of what you collect!


 




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