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Of those who didn't know that the telescope was invented. Was:
On Jul 23, 8:41*am, "Victor Manta" wrote:
"Joshua McGee" wrote in message Great, they have discovered themselves! I just wonder why this civilization didn't inform others about their epochal discovery. Worked so well for them when Europe found out about the continents, didn't it? * I wouldn't presume that all "native populations wish the secret could have remained so a bit longer". "The deliberate taking of a human life was deemed necessary to sanctify certain ritual occasions My initial desire was to write something closer to a flame, but, I will try calmly to note that: 1) Your passages border uncomfortably close to a justification for genocide, and are not remotely relevant to the record of European atrocities towards native populations 2) Reports of Meso-American cannibalism are almost entirely of European record, and while some can be historically supported, they are wildly distorted in the European-American record 3) I entreat you to research European cannibalism during the First Crusade, which European apologists find convenient to sweep under the rug 4) Your extreme capitalism, pro-Americanism, and support for propagandists, become very tiresome very quickly -- Joshua H. McGee Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/ |
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When was the telescope invented?
No I was being sincere,
so I'll have to browse my collection again. "Joshua McGee" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 2:56 am, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote: virginia dare 1937? Funny. No, I didn't mean that. I meant "the first North American of aboriginal/Asiatic descent" -- which is what "Native American" now means in the U.S., and which, if you were joking, you may know already. -- Joshua H. McGee Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/ |
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When was the telescope invented?
OK how about
Scott number 330, issued in 1907 for the Jamestown Exposition. A rare stamp, with a retail value of $150 unused, and $30 in used condition. (pocahontas) "Joshua McGee" wrote in message ... On Jul 23, 2:56 am, "rodney" pookiethai@NOSPAM iprimus.com.au wrote: virginia dare 1937? Funny. No, I didn't mean that. I meant "the first North American of aboriginal/Asiatic descent" -- which is what "Native American" now means in the U.S., and which, if you were joking, you may know already. -- Joshua H. McGee Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/ |
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When was the telescope invented?
On Jul 24, 2:32*am, "rodney" wrote:
OK how about Scott number 330, issued in 1907 for the Jamestown Exposition. A rare stamp, with a retail value of $150 unused, and $30 in used condition. (pocahontas) Yes! Very good. :-) -- Joshua H. McGee Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/ |
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When was the telescope invented?
A very interesting story too, makes good reading. I had not looked into it before, anything treated by disney, for me, takes the shine off. http://cjoint.com/data/hyrwPWWbfy.htm "Joshua McGee" Yes! Very good. :-) -- Joshua H. McGee Sierra Madre, Los Angeles, California, USA Member: APS, ATA, ISWSC, MBPC Trade?: http://www.mcgees.org/stamp-offers/ |
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Of those who didn't know that the telescope was invented. Was: When was the telescope invented?
"Joshua McGee" wrote in message
... On Jul 23, 8:41 am, "Victor Manta" wrote: "Joshua McGee" wrote in message Great, they have discovered themselves! I just wonder why this civilization didn't inform others about their epochal discovery. Worked so well for them when Europe found out about the continents, didn't it? I wouldn't presume that all "native populations wish the secret could have remained so a bit longer". "The deliberate taking of a human life was deemed necessary to sanctify certain ritual occasions My initial desire was to write something closer to a flame, but, I will try calmly to note that: The good part of you won but for a very short time (see the point 4). No congratulations, because on a ng thou shall not flame, like generally thou shall not kill. There are no rewards for not flaming or not stealing or not killing. 1) Your passages border uncomfortably close to a justification for genocide, and are not remotely relevant to the record of European atrocities towards native populations That's your reading of the passage that I cited. Atrocities of one side don't justify the atrocities of other sites but they are what they are, I mean atrocities, and shouldn't be forgotten/evaded for any reasons but condamned as well. 2) Reports of Meso-American cannibalism are almost entirely of European record, and while some can be historically supported, they are wildly distorted in the European-American record My main point were the ritual atrocities. As I understand it, the prisoners who were then eaten were anyway dead then, so that at least they haven't suffered anymore (which doesn't mean that this historical fact makes from me a supporter of cannibalism 3) I entreat you to research European cannibalism during the First Crusade, which European apologists find convenient to sweep under the rug It's not related to what I cited earlier, my point being just that it isn't a good idea to paint in black only one side, when both of them weren't necessarily angels. Neither the invading Europeans nor the invaded native tribes/societies observed what we call today the human rights, the contrary being true. The results are largely known and can be hardly used to accuse the ones or the others. This distant past was how it was and it shouldn't be repeated. The condition that it won't be repeated is that the mankind observes the individual rights (to life and liberty). 4) Your extreme capitalism, pro-Americanism, and support for propagandists, become very tiresome very quickly If this isn't ad hominem then I don't know what ad hominem is. Here we discuss ideas and not people, and neither me nor other participants. Nobody should assert for example that Joshua is an extreme pro something and/or a anti other thing. If you don't like me and/or my ideas, please consider that this is your personal choice. Instead of finger pointing you have several solutions at your disposal, like avoiding posting on controversial issues or ignoring some authors, by reading only those ones who agree on your particular Weltanschauung. Of course on this free ng all participants, me included, preserve their right to rationally and politely react to what they find as being one sided, unjust, false of simply stupid. -- Victor Manta |
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