Buffalo Dollar: ICG MS70 Not Perfect

All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG overlooks the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS certify a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed as
accurately as I can:

http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo....8?aucview=0x70

Thanks for Looking...

PJZ

www.dylancoins.com

"PJZ" wrote in message
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All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG overlooks
the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS certify a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed as
accurately as I can:

An ICG 70 Buffalo Dollar will sell for marginally over a raw one, if that.
An NGC 70 will sell for about $300.00 to about $350.00. A PCGS 70 will sell
somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000.00. Here's my NGC 70. (It's a
Proof).. There aren't any rim marks on it. Looks perfect to me. Looked
perfect to NGC too. Would PCGS cross it over as a 70? If not, why not.. I
just don't feel like throwing $30.00 at them to find out..
http://www.harvlaser.com/files/pics/buff70.jpg

One of my PCGS submissions at the Long Beach Show was a modern Unc.
Commemorative. I went over it for a long time with a magnifier and a loupe
and couldn't find one damn thing wrong with it. I'm waiting to see what they
give it.

Harv

"Harv" wrote in message
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"PJZ" wrote in message
.. .
All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG overlooks
the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS certify
a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed as
accurately as I can:

An ICG 70 Buffalo Dollar will sell for marginally over a raw one, if that.
An NGC 70 will sell for about $300.00 to about $350.00. A PCGS 70 will
sell
somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000.00. Here's my NGC 70. (It's a
Proof).. There aren't any rim marks on it. Looks perfect to me. Looked
perfect to NGC too. Would PCGS cross it over as a 70? If not, why not.. I
just don't feel like throwing $30.00 at them to find out..
http://www.harvlaser.com/files/pics/buff70.jpg

One of my PCGS submissions at the Long Beach Show was a modern Unc.
Commemorative. I went over it for a long time with a magnifier and a loupe
and couldn't find one damn thing wrong with it. I'm waiting to see what
they
give it.


I am convinced that the odds of getting a 70 from PCGS are somewhat better
for the bulk submitter than for the average guy who submits a single coin.
This is just an observation from stories told by others, but they seem to be
harder on individual submissions than on bulk submissions.

Personally, I have seen very few PCGS 70s of any type. They are just not
very common, which probably explains the very high prices for them.

Harv

Bob Peterson wrote:

"Harv" wrote in message
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"PJZ" wrote in message
.. .
All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG overlooks
the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS certify
a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed as
accurately as I can:

An ICG 70 Buffalo Dollar will sell for marginally over a raw one, if that.
An NGC 70 will sell for about $300.00 to about $350.00. A PCGS 70 will
sell
somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000.00. Here's my NGC 70. (It's a
Proof).. There aren't any rim marks on it. Looks perfect to me. Looked
perfect to NGC too. Would PCGS cross it over as a 70? If not, why not.. I
just don't feel like throwing $30.00 at them to find out..
http://www.harvlaser.com/files/pics/buff70.jpg

One of my PCGS submissions at the Long Beach Show was a modern Unc.
Commemorative. I went over it for a long time with a magnifier and a loupe
and couldn't find one damn thing wrong with it. I'm waiting to see what
they
give it.


I am convinced that the odds of getting a 70 from PCGS are somewhat better
for the bulk submitter than for the average guy who submits a single coin.
This is just an observation from stories told by others, but they seem to be
harder on individual submissions than on bulk submissions.

Personally, I have seen very few PCGS 70s of any type. They are just not
very common, which probably explains the very high prices for them.

The first PCGS MS-70 and PF-70 Buffalo Dollars of which I became aware
were offered from the inventory of David Hall Rare Coins. I guess he is
a 'bulk submitter'.

Alan
'inside track'

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:21:02 -0500, "Bob Peterson"
wrote:


"Harv" wrote in message
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"PJZ" wrote in message
.. .
All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG overlooks
the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS certify
a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed as
accurately as I can:

An ICG 70 Buffalo Dollar will sell for marginally over a raw one, if that.
An NGC 70 will sell for about $300.00 to about $350.00. A PCGS 70 will
sell
somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000.00. Here's my NGC 70. (It's a
Proof).. There aren't any rim marks on it. Looks perfect to me. Looked
perfect to NGC too. Would PCGS cross it over as a 70? If not, why not.. I
just don't feel like throwing $30.00 at them to find out..
http://www.harvlaser.com/files/pics/buff70.jpg

One of my PCGS submissions at the Long Beach Show was a modern Unc.
Commemorative. I went over it for a long time with a magnifier and a loupe
and couldn't find one damn thing wrong with it. I'm waiting to see what
they
give it.


I am convinced that the odds of getting a 70 from PCGS are somewhat better
for the bulk submitter than for the average guy who submits a single coin.
This is just an observation from stories told by others, but they seem to be
harder on individual submissions than on bulk submissions.

Personally, I have seen very few PCGS 70s of any type. They are just not
very common, which probably explains the very high prices for them.

Harv


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I just hope that no one out there is putting their retirement funds
into one of those $2,000 slabs.

"Harv" wrote in message ...
"PJZ" wrote in message
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All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG overlooks
the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS certify a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed as
accurately as I can:

An ICG 70 Buffalo Dollar will sell for marginally over a raw one, if that.
An NGC 70 will sell for about $300.00 to about $350.00. A PCGS 70 will sell
somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000.00. Here's my NGC 70. (It's a
Proof).. There aren't any rim marks on it. Looks perfect to me. Looked
perfect to NGC too. Would PCGS cross it over as a 70? If not, why not.. I
just don't feel like throwing $30.00 at them to find out..
http://www.harvlaser.com/files/pics/buff70.jpg

One of my PCGS submissions at the Long Beach Show was a modern Unc.
Commemorative. I went over it for a long time with a magnifier and a loupe
and couldn't find one damn thing wrong with it. I'm waiting to see what they
give it.

Harv

HEY!

How many times does I hafta tells yas......there ain't no MS/PF70!!

Dang it!!

Fred
"old school"
"James McCown" wrote in message
om...
I just hope that no one out there is putting their retirement funds
into one of those $2,000 slabs.

"Harv" wrote in message
...
"PJZ" wrote in message
.. .
All MS70's are not created equal, on this coin, apparently ICG
overlooks
the
fact that there are minor imperfections on the rim. Would PCGS
certify a
coin with only rim marks as MS70? We think not. Here it is, listed
as
accurately as I can:

An ICG 70 Buffalo Dollar will sell for marginally over a raw one, if
that.
An NGC 70 will sell for about $300.00 to about $350.00. A PCGS 70 will
sell
somewhere in the neighborhood of $2000.00. Here's my NGC 70. (It's a
Proof).. There aren't any rim marks on it. Looks perfect to me. Looked
perfect to NGC too. Would PCGS cross it over as a 70? If not, why not..
I
just don't feel like throwing $30.00 at them to find out..
http://www.harvlaser.com/files/pics/buff70.jpg

One of my PCGS submissions at the Long Beach Show was a modern Unc.
Commemorative. I went over it for a long time with a magnifier and a
loupe
and couldn't find one damn thing wrong with it. I'm waiting to see what
they
give it.

Harv

In article , Numismatist513
@Comcast.Net says...
HEY!

How many times does I hafta tells yas......there ain't no MS/PF70!!

Dang it!!

Fred
"old school"

There isn't in the grading challenges. I don't believe in bodybags,
MS70's or the tooth fairy. :-)

--
Stu Miller
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(James McCown) wrote in message . com...
I just hope that no one out there is putting their retirement funds
into one of those $2,000 slabs.


Heck NO! I'm not crazy! I put all my 401K into Lucent stock 4 years ago.