Just want to clear some stuff up

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 27, 12:56*am, The Drunken Lord wrote:
I never knew exactly why, until you posted here, why you got the boot
from FPN. *I did figure it was something very petty. *And then some
jackass comes here and says they did it because you could have gotten
FPN in legal trouble.

That probably came from an admin or a moderator or one of the FPN'ers
who must have complained about you.

I can't imagine a person on FPN that would do such a nasty thing but
then again on Pentrace I'm being called a liar by someone who
suprisingly registered quite recently almost as if someone needed a
sock puppet to make sure that I am always seen in a bad light. It's a
bear having to keep defending myself against this muck but it seems
like I have to or it's going to just sit there and fester.

Dude, I wish we could have more FPN defenders come out of the woodwork
and defend FPN here on this newsgroup, but those rats generally stay
in hiding.

And there's really no limit, I don't think, to the depths that a
fundamentalist Christian will sink to when throwing mud, but generally
they wither at confrontations of the sort we are able to provide them
with here on the usenet. They much prefer protected, censored web
boards such as FPN to spread their right wing, reactionary
fundamentalist Christian political thought.

Dr. Dobson's supporters on FPN--we won't see many of those rats here.

The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 27, 12:56 am, The Drunken Lord wrote:
I never knew exactly why, until you posted here, why you got the boot
from FPN. I did figure it was something very petty. And then some
jackass comes here and says they did it because you could have gotten
FPN in legal trouble.

That probably came from an admin or a moderator or one of the FPN'ers
who must have complained about you.
I can't imagine a person on FPN that would do such a nasty thing but
then again on Pentrace I'm being called a liar by someone who
suprisingly registered quite recently almost as if someone needed a
sock puppet to make sure that I am always seen in a bad light. It's a
bear having to keep defending myself against this muck but it seems
like I have to or it's going to just sit there and fester.

Dude, I wish we could have more FPN defenders come out of the woodwork
and defend FPN here on this newsgroup, but those rats generally stay
in hiding.

And there's really no limit, I don't think, to the depths that a
fundamentalist Christian will sink to when throwing mud, but generally
they wither at confrontations of the sort we are able to provide them
with here on the usenet. They much prefer protected, censored web
boards such as FPN to spread their right wing, reactionary
fundamentalist Christian political thought.

Dr. Dobson's supporters on FPN--we won't see many of those rats here.
OK, I'll bite. I have been a member of the FPN for some time, now. I am
a raving left-wing scientifically-educated anti-Creationist
anti-IntelligentDesigner pro-socialist pro-gun but pro-gun control and
fundamentalist believer in anthropogenic global warming.

I have only been treated with the utmost of good manners by all members
of the FPN, even when I spout my left-wing views. I have never been
censured for my points of view, either by other members or the
Admin/Moderators team.

I really don't understand you. You espouse rabidly anti-FPN views here,
but when replying to FPNers, I have only seen you reply with the best of
good manners. As well, for a site you appear to despise, you seem to
spend quite some time there.

Fur Elise wrote:
OK, I'll bite. I have been a member of the FPN for some time, now. I am
a raving left-wing scientifically-educated anti-Creationist
anti-IntelligentDesigner pro-socialist pro-gun but pro-gun control and
fundamentalist believer in anthropogenic global warming.

I applaud your self description!

I have only been treated with the utmost of good manners by all members
of the FPN, even when I spout my left-wing views. I have never been
censured for my points of view, either by other members or the
Admin/Moderators team.

Me neither.

That said, there are days when someone jumps up and suggests Lamy Safari
as a great starter pen, I want to effing scream. I had one that stank,
and yes, I'm holding it against them, but it feels cheap. I'd rather
someone got the next grade better pen from Pilot, for example, even
though that feels cheap. (The 78G is, imho, a better pen than the
Safari at about the same price point.)

But I've got a vintage Sheaffer Touchdown that I spent $25 on (same
price as the two aforementioned pens). Know what?

It's a much better deal as a starter pen.

--
_Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://dsmoen.livejournal.com/
"Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!"

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:31:42 +1000, Fur Elise
wrote:

The Drunken Lord wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:59:06 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Jun 27, 12:56 am, The Drunken Lord wrote:
I never knew exactly why, until you posted here, why you got the boot
from FPN. I did figure it was something very petty. And then some
jackass comes here and says they did it because you could have gotten
FPN in legal trouble.

That probably came from an admin or a moderator or one of the FPN'ers
who must have complained about you.
I can't imagine a person on FPN that would do such a nasty thing but
then again on Pentrace I'm being called a liar by someone who
suprisingly registered quite recently almost as if someone needed a
sock puppet to make sure that I am always seen in a bad light. It's a
bear having to keep defending myself against this muck but it seems
like I have to or it's going to just sit there and fester.

Dude, I wish we could have more FPN defenders come out of the woodwork
and defend FPN here on this newsgroup, but those rats generally stay
in hiding.

And there's really no limit, I don't think, to the depths that a
fundamentalist Christian will sink to when throwing mud, but generally
they wither at confrontations of the sort we are able to provide them
with here on the usenet. They much prefer protected, censored web
boards such as FPN to spread their right wing, reactionary
fundamentalist Christian political thought.

Dr. Dobson's supporters on FPN--we won't see many of those rats here.
OK, I'll bite. I have been a member of the FPN for some time, now. I am
a raving left-wing scientifically-educated anti-Creationist
anti-IntelligentDesigner pro-socialist pro-gun but pro-gun control and
fundamentalist believer in anthropogenic global warming.

I have only been treated with the utmost of good manners by all members
of the FPN, even when I spout my left-wing views. I have never been
censured for my points of view, either by other members or the
Admin/Moderators team.

But I'll bet you don't have quotes such as, "Religion is the opate of
the masses," in your sig file. They have their Bible quotes though.

And I'll bet you've never told them exactly what you think of
creationism--that is, that you think about the same thing of that tale
as you do of Santa Claus.

By the way, you wouldn't know it, I don't guess, but I'm not
anti-Jesus Christ. I'm just anti-a lot of his followers and I'd guess
he'd be too.

And I'm not anti-God either. It's clear something created all this
and upholds it.

Anyway, you've come here and said you're a left winger and they're
nice to you. All I got to say to that is I'm guessing, just guessing,
that you're a well behaved guest in that ********.

I do understand that there are some lefties on FPN. But they godamn
well better behave themselves.

I really don't understand you. You espouse rabidly anti-FPN views here,
but when replying to FPNers, I have only seen you reply with the best of
good manners. As well, for a site you appear to despise, you seem to
spend quite some time there.

I don't know who's an FPN'er and who's not. I do know some do post on
FPN--such as Deidre--but whether they post on FPN or not doesn't have
a goddamn thing to do with whether I flame them or not. If you or
Deidre or anybody else wants to hang out in that ********, that's your
business, not mine. I do go there and look around--but as far as
spending much time there--I really don't. 5 to 10 minutes or so at
the time is all I can take.

"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" wrote in message
...

That said, there are days when someone jumps up and suggests Lamy Safari
as a great starter pen, I want to effing scream. I had one that stank,
and yes, I'm holding it against them, but it feels cheap. I'd rather
someone got the next grade better pen from Pilot, for example, even
though that feels cheap. (The 78G is, imho, a better pen than the
Safari at about the same price point.)

But I've got a vintage Sheaffer Touchdown that I spent $25 on (same
price as the two aforementioned pens). Know what?

It's a much better deal as a starter pen.

However, it's the Lamy Safari that's being sold in stores. One has to make
more of an effort to locate and buy a vintage pen and repair it or find
someone to repair it for you if it hasn't already been restored. Newbies
don't typically know where or how to shop for vintage pens, so they're left
with the Safari. If they're lucky, they'll have other options, but in the
stores I've seen, there isn't a selection of pens at $25 with similar
styling.

As for feeling cheap, it's a lightweight, inexpensive, modern pen. shrug
If other people like it, what does it matter to you? It's their money and
their experience. Take a breath and laugh it off. They're obviously newbies
with limited experience. It's not worth the emotion because only time can
cure them, if they're willing.

It's unfortunate that your Safari was bad. Mine is good. I don't like it
simply because the grip and I don't get along in about a page of writing. I
keep it for notes because I like how the nib feels as I write.

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Bluesea wrote:

However, it's the Lamy Safari that's being sold in stores. One has to make
more of an effort to locate and buy a vintage pen and repair it or find
someone to repair it for you if it hasn't already been restored. Newbies
don't typically know where or how to shop for vintage pens, so they're left
with the Safari. If they're lucky, they'll have other options, but in the
stores I've seen, there isn't a selection of pens at $25 with similar
styling.

That's true, and I should feel more sympathetic, but I don't.

As for feeling cheap, it's a lightweight, inexpensive, modern pen. shrug
If other people like it, what does it matter to you?

I don't care if they like it, it's the level of enthusiasm that annoys me.

Seriously, I've been thinking about some of my German pens (okay,
there's a few I wouldn't part with) because I have had the same
irritation with the Pelikan fans and Montblanc fans as well.

In fact, I sold my MB rollerball last night, so now every ballpoint or
rollerball I have is Italian.

Heck, I might even put up an FPN poll.

Definitely not selling:
Pelikan Lighthouse
Montblanc 342, vintage
Cleo Skribent Ebonite

Considering selling:
Pelikan Piccadilly Circus
Montblanc Starwalker in Cool Blue
....and probably a pen or three I'm forgetting.

It's unfortunate that your Safari was bad. Mine is good. I don't like it
simply because the grip and I don't get along in about a page of writing. I
keep it for notes because I like how the nib feels as I write.

I really would like an old Savanna Green Safari ballpoint again, but only if
it's Apple-branded. Now that was a great pen at a good price.

--
_Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://dsmoen.livejournal.com/
"Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!"

"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" wrote in message
...
Bluesea wrote:

However, it's the Lamy Safari that's being sold in stores. One has to
make
more of an effort to locate and buy a vintage pen and repair it or find
someone to repair it for you if it hasn't already been restored. Newbies
don't typically know where or how to shop for vintage pens, so they're
left
with the Safari. If they're lucky, they'll have other options, but in the
stores I've seen, there isn't a selection of pens at $25 with similar
styling.

That's true, and I should feel more sympathetic, but I don't.

As for feeling cheap, it's a lightweight, inexpensive, modern pen.
shrug
If other people like it, what does it matter to you?

I don't care if they like it, it's the level of enthusiasm that annoys me.

Seriously, I've been thinking about some of my German pens (okay,
there's a few I wouldn't part with) because I have had the same
irritation with the Pelikan fans and Montblanc fans as well.

How would you feel if people were as enthusiastic for pens you own?

--
~~Bluesea~~
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Bluesea wrote:

Seriously, I've been thinking about some of my German pens (okay,
there's a few I wouldn't part with) because I have had the same
irritation with the Pelikan fans and Montblanc fans as well.

How would you feel if people were as enthusiastic for pens you own?

See, that'd just drive the prices up on eBay, so I should just shut up
about Stipula pens.

--
_Deirdre web: http://deirdre.net blog: http://dsmoen.livejournal.com/
"Memes are a hoax! Pass it on!"

"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" wrote in message
...
Bluesea wrote:

Seriously, I've been thinking about some of my German pens (okay,
there's a few I wouldn't part with) because I have had the same
irritation with the Pelikan fans and Montblanc fans as well.

How would you feel if people were as enthusiastic for pens you own?

See, that'd just drive the prices up on eBay, so I should just shut up
about Stipula pens.

LOL.

--
~~Bluesea~~
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Please take out the trash before sending a direct reply.

In article , Fur Elise
wrote:

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OK, I'll bite. I have been a member of the FPN for some time, now. I am
a raving left-wing scientifically-educated anti-Creationist
anti-IntelligentDesigner pro-socialist pro-gun but pro-gun control and
fundamentalist believer in anthropogenic global warming.

Your self-description could fit me as well as you I do not discuss
politics on FPN - there are better fora for political discussion. I
have, however, supported other members whose suggestions or comments
about FPN have provoked rude responses from the mods or admins.

I have only been treated with the utmost of good manners by all members
of the FPN, even when I spout my left-wing views. I have never been
censured for my points of view, either by other members or the
Admin/Moderators team.

I have also always been treated with respect by FPN administrators, but
I have seen them treat other members rudely, and more than once. I
have seen more than one rude, hostile response to posts by Kurt that I
would describe as completely benign, often clever and humorous.

cats

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