Reverse design of 2010 Sac

oly wrote:
On Dec 8, 8:49 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
"Jass" wrote in message

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On Dec 6, 10:21 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:





"Jass" wrote in message

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On Dec 6, 9:44 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

"Michael G. Koerner" wrote in
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In case anyone didn't yet notice, the USMint has unveiled the
design for
the 2010 Sac.

It is at:
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...n=2010NADesign

I actually kind of like this one.

Still looks like more cut 'n' paste clipart on a flat background
to me. I'd like to see some traditional medalists tackle the Sac
and maybe come up
with some dimensional features on a textured background. The Sac
doesn't circulate anymore anyway, so why not use it as a design
platform for some
serious artists.

The sac does indeed circulate. Ive gotten new ones as change from
machines many times (Boston MBTA fare machines)

Most recently, I got 10 coins as change. 1 new sac, 2 old sacs, 1
susan, and the rest presidents.

(The machines give out up to $19 in change)
_________________

I guess you're luckier(?) than I am. I've never received one in
change ever
since they came out. That indicates to me that they don't
circulate, and are being used mainly as "tokens" in vending
machines, like you experienced.
When was the last time you actually got one in change at a store?
Some of our local banks do keep a few mixed dollar coins in a
change tray on the counter for those who might ask for one. A few
banks have been getting rolls of the new president dollars, but no
Sac dollars.

Wow, this thread got hijacked by children.

Anyway, Ive never received a coin from a human transaction, but the
fact that the mass transit vending machines give them out means all
merchants are used to receiving them. Before the machines were
deployed in 2006, many merchants would do a double take when
receiving
a dollar coin as payment. Today they don't react, which makes me
think
they see them every day. Of course, that has done nothing to change
the behavior of returning them as change to the next customer. Still,
some circulation is better than none. And based on the brown 2001
saks
I see, they have done a decent amount of circulating.

Im sure this is the same in other cities that have popular mass
transit systems with automated machines that give change.
_____________________

So like I said, they're essentially used mostly as "tokens" in
machines, seldom seen in merchants' register drawers. By now, most
cashiers should have seen these dollar coins and won't do the double
take any more. But
for a little golden coin that has been available for 30 years now,
that doesn't speak much for its popular acceptance along with the
penny, nickel, dime, and quarter. Yet it still is being cranked out
each year by the millions. That said, a dollar coin might evoke less
surprise from many cashiers than a half dollar.

I was thinking how rare it would be to find a modern dollar coin
graded VG-F from actual wear. But then I can't remember the last
time I saw ANY of our circulating coins in less than Fine condition,
including 50 years of Memorial reverse cents. Those pesky coin jars
and credit cards at work, I guess.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Could it be that copper nickel is more durable than silver for coinage
use and that is why older coins looked more used?

Of course, coins are almost totally irrelevant today for any purchase
(spent almost $9 last night on a quality loaf of bread, 10 ounces of
deli turkey and two cold 20 oz diet cokes - and I did not use coins).
Coins are recieved in the backside of purchases, not often used for
the front side.

I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have them, I
like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash, like about $2 in
oddments did this morning.

James the Money Launderer

"oly" wrote in message
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On Dec 8, 8:49 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:
"Jass" wrote in message

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On Dec 6, 10:21 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:





"Jass" wrote in message

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On Dec 6, 9:44 pm, "Bruce Remick" wrote:

"Michael G. Koerner" wrote in
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In case anyone didn't yet notice, the USMint has unveiled the design
for
the 2010 Sac.

It is at:
http://www.usmint.gov/mint_programs/...n=2010NADesign

I actually kind of like this one.

Still looks like more cut 'n' paste clipart on a flat background to
me.
I'd like to see some traditional medalists tackle the Sac and maybe
come
up
with some dimensional features on a textured background. The Sac
doesn't
circulate anymore anyway, so why not use it as a design platform for
some
serious artists.

The sac does indeed circulate. Ive gotten new ones as change from
machines many times (Boston MBTA fare machines)

Most recently, I got 10 coins as change. 1 new sac, 2 old sacs, 1
susan, and the rest presidents.

(The machines give out up to $19 in change)
_________________

I guess you're luckier(?) than I am. I've never received one in change
ever
since they came out. That indicates to me that they don't circulate, and
are being used mainly as "tokens" in vending machines, like you
experienced.
When was the last time you actually got one in change at a store? Some
of
our local banks do keep a few mixed dollar coins in a change tray on the
counter for those who might ask for one. A few banks have been getting
rolls of the new president dollars, but no Sac dollars.

Wow, this thread got hijacked by children.

Anyway, Ive never received a coin from a human transaction, but the
fact that the mass transit vending machines give them out means all
merchants are used to receiving them. Before the machines were
deployed in 2006, many merchants would do a double take when receiving
a dollar coin as payment. Today they don't react, which makes me think
they see them every day. Of course, that has done nothing to change
the behavior of returning them as change to the next customer. Still,
some circulation is better than none. And based on the brown 2001 saks
I see, they have done a decent amount of circulating.

Im sure this is the same in other cities that have popular mass
transit systems with automated machines that give change.
_____________________

So like I said, they're essentially used mostly as "tokens" in machines,
seldom seen in merchants' register drawers. By now, most cashiers should
have seen these dollar coins and won't do the double take any more. But
for a little golden coin that has been available for 30 years now, that
doesn't speak much for its popular acceptance along with the penny,
nickel,
dime, and quarter. Yet it still is being cranked out each year by the
millions. That said, a dollar coin might evoke less surprise from many
cashiers than a half dollar.

I was thinking how rare it would be to find a modern dollar coin graded
VG-F
from actual wear. But then I can't remember the last time I saw ANY of our
circulating coins in less than Fine condition, including 50 years of
Memorial reverse cents. Those pesky coin jars and credit cards at work, I
guess.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Could it be that copper nickel is more durable than silver for coinage
use and that is why older coins looked more used?
_________________________

Worn pennies and nickels were common when found in change 50-60 years
ago. Today, you'd have to do a lot of searching before finding a VG-F
Lincoln or Jefferson-- for the exact reasons you mention. They're not
usually used for purchases, except maybe by the older lady in front of me in
the checkout line. Although I usually don't worry about receiving coins in
the backside, I never turn my back on the cashier at the register.
_________________________

Of course, coins are almost totally irrelevant today for any purchase
(spent almost $9 last night on a quality loaf of bread, 10 ounces of
deli turkey and two cold 20 oz diet cokes - and I did not use coins).
Coins are recieved in the backside of purchases, not often used for
the front side.

oly

"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have them, I
like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash, like about $2 in
oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence they eventually
wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely have enough.
As pointed out before, the denominations of today's coins have not kept up with
inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit smaller) costs 50
cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from the ranks of
current coinage without an adverse effect on the economy.
Ease the public into the process slowly, by first eliminating the now-useless
cent (keep making them for collectors though), after a few years do the same for
the nickel and then the dime. By that time no one will miss them, esp. if we
experience the runaway inflation the current administration's fiscal policies
will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years ago, odd
considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of the dollar
coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have
them, I like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash,
like about $2 in oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence they
eventually wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely have
enough. As pointed out before, the denominations of today's coins have not
kept up with inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit smaller)
costs 50 cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from
the ranks of current coinage without an adverse effect on the economy.
Ease the public into the process slowly, by first eliminating the
now-useless cent (keep making them for collectors though), after a
few years do the same for the nickel and then the dime. By that time
no one will miss them, esp. if we experience the runaway inflation
the current administration's fiscal policies will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years ago,
odd considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of the
dollar coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Sacrilege! Don't you know that our currency system originated in the Garden
of Eden? If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's good enough for me.

James the Fundie

"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have
them, I like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash,
like about $2 in oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence they
eventually wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely have
enough. As pointed out before, the denominations of today's coins have not
kept up with inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit smaller)
costs 50 cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from
the ranks of current coinage without an adverse effect on the economy.
Ease the public into the process slowly, by first eliminating the
now-useless cent (keep making them for collectors though), after a
few years do the same for the nickel and then the dime. By that time
no one will miss them, esp. if we experience the runaway inflation
the current administration's fiscal policies will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years ago,
odd considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of the
dollar coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Sacrilege! Don't you know that our currency system originated in the Garden
of Eden? If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's good enough for me.

James the Fundie

Then let's bring back the half cent - perfect for paying the EXACT sales tax!

Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have
them, I like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash,
like about $2 in oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence
they eventually wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely have
enough. As pointed out before, the denominations of today's coins
have not kept up with inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit smaller)
costs 50 cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from
the ranks of current coinage without an adverse effect on the
economy. Ease the public into the process slowly, by first
eliminating the now-useless cent (keep making them for collectors
though), after a few years do the same for the nickel and then the dime.
By that time
no one will miss them, esp. if we experience the runaway inflation
the current administration's fiscal policies will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years ago,
odd considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of the
dollar coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Sacrilege! Don't you know that our currency system originated in
the Garden of Eden? If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's good
enough for me. James the Fundie

Then let's bring back the half cent - perfect for paying the EXACT
sales tax!

You'd need the mill for that.

James the Decimalator

"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have
them, I like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash,
like about $2 in oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence
they eventually wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely have
enough. As pointed out before, the denominations of today's coins
have not kept up with inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit smaller)
costs 50 cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from
the ranks of current coinage without an adverse effect on the
economy. Ease the public into the process slowly, by first
eliminating the now-useless cent (keep making them for collectors
though), after a few years do the same for the nickel and then the dime. By
that time
no one will miss them, esp. if we experience the runaway inflation
the current administration's fiscal policies will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years ago,
odd considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of the
dollar coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Sacrilege! Don't you know that our currency system originated in
the Garden of Eden? If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's good
enough for me. James the Fundie

Then let's bring back the half cent - perfect for paying the EXACT
sales tax!

You'd need the mill for that.

James the Decimalator

The mil, eh - that has never been part of out pantheon of coins.
You should be called James the Apostate!

Mr. Jaggers lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:

Sacrilege! Don't you know that our currency system originated in the Garden
of Eden? If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's good enough for me.

James the Fundie

You aren't half the Fundie you should be. Make dollars, halves and quarters
from bronze, 3, 6, 12, 24, 30 and 60 dollar coins from silver, and 120,
240, 480 and 1200 dollar coins from gold. The smallest note should be
1200 dollars - then you would have a proper monetary system. You could
call the $12 coin something beginning with S and the $240 gold coin
something beginning with L. The silver coins should have 66 $12 coins
weighing twelve troy ounces of .925 silver, and the gold coins should
be based on a $240 coin weighing 123.274 grains of .9166 gold.

Peter.

On Dec 9, 4:24*pm, "Petronius" wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message

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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I have
them, I like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the wash,
like about $2 in oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence
they eventually wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely have
enough. As pointed out before, the denominations of today's coins
have not kept up with inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit smaller)
costs 50 cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from
the ranks of current coinage without an adverse effect on the
economy. Ease the public into the process slowly, by first
eliminating the now-useless cent (keep making them for collectors
though), after a few years do the same for the nickel and then the dime. By
that time
no one will miss them, esp. if we experience the runaway inflation
the current administration's fiscal policies will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years ago,
odd considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of the
dollar coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Sacrilege! *Don't you know that our currency system originated in
the Garden of Eden? *If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's good
enough for me. James the Fundie

Then let's bring back the half cent - perfect for paying the EXACT
sales tax!

You'd need the mill for that.

James the Decimalator

The mil, eh - that has never been part of out pantheon of coins.
You should be called James the Apostate!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Even made of a non-metal composite composition, struck or assembled by
technology routinely involving no "expensive" human labor - could a
"mil" be produced for today's currency system??? A "mil" would
probably cost several mils to make! Costs of handling would be
obscene compared to the mil's value.

oly
"I once knew a guy named 'James the Apostate', or was it "Julian'???

Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
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Petronius wrote:
"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message
...
I always make it a point to use coins on the front side - if I
have them, I like to get rid of them so they don't end up in the
wash, like about $2 in oddments did this morning.

At the end of the day my coins go into my piggy bank from whence
they eventually wind up in a Coinstar machine.
If I have change, I'll try to use it in a purchase but I rarely
have enough. As pointed out before, the denominations of today's
coins have not kept up with inflation.
Back in the 50s, a candy bar cost a nickel, now one (albeit
smaller) costs 50 cents.
The cent, nickel and possibly dime could easily be eliminated from
the ranks of current coinage without an adverse effect on the
economy. Ease the public into the process slowly, by first
eliminating the now-useless cent (keep making them for collectors
though), after a few years do the same for the nickel and then
the dime. By that time
no one will miss them, esp. if we experience the runaway inflation
the current administration's fiscal policies will engender.
Start making more half dollars (which were in wide use 50 years
ago, odd considering they were actually worth something then).
Eliminate the dollar bill (like Canada did) to force the use of
the dollar coins.
Start making $2 coins and maybe even $5 ones

Sacrilege! Don't you know that our currency system originated in
the Garden of Eden? If the cent was good enough for Adam, it's
good enough for me. James the Fundie

Then let's bring back the half cent - perfect for paying the EXACT
sales tax!

You'd need the mill for that.

James the Decimalator

The mil, eh - that has never been part of out pantheon of coins.
You should be called James the Apostate!

I've seen plastic tokens from various states denominated in the mill for use
in dealing with taxes.

James the Apostle [heh]