Finally Clearing Up Old Issues - John Pelan's Lie

I contacted Maulding and am waiting for a response. You people don't
know me so I have nothing to gain or lose. Hopefully this Maulding dude
will respond to my question concerning the validity of Haunted
River/People's Poet's claim.
Afterwards, there really isn't anything to discuss. I'm impartial and
will post all headers and email once received....I should say "IF"
received.
One more thing...I vote that Pelan send CB a plane ticket to Seattle
and settle the score in person. Screw all this email/newsgroup ****.
Face off like men.

I applaud your intervention. Thanks. I've stated on several occasions
that I want to end this acrimony as soon as possible. After a brief
victory dance, I will drop the matter - provided that John Pelan and
Kevin O'Brien do the decent thing and apologise.

CB
http://hauntedriver.co.uk

Haunted River wrote:

1. Prove it. Post your message. I've published evidence. . . .


Which you faked.


2. The headers were not faked. They are real. You will have to detail
exactly how they have been faked if you want to dispute them.


Your reading comprehension is pretty bad. I never said the headers
were faked; Mr. Maulding confirmed to me that the headers were
accurate. What he said was that you changed his message in the body of
the email that went with the headers. That itself is very easy to do.
Once you copy and paste the email into a text editing program, you can
then change any part of it you want to. You did not change the headers
but you did change the message itself. That has been confirmed by Mr.
Maulding to me.


3. How do you explain the fact that only last week, Pelan was trying
to
suggest there was no such person as Barry Mauding? It is another
suggestive inconsistency in yours and Pelan's argument.


As I said before, I am not responsible for John's arguments, so I am
not afraid to contradict him.


4. If Isomedia prohibit publication of their emails as you claim,
then
why have you failed & Pelan failed to report me for having (as you
claim) published a fake email on the internet? It's very out of
character for you both to have not commented on this, and for neither
of you have to reported me for fraud. Isomedia would clearly be very
concerned at being falsly represented and they would almost certainly
complain to my ISP.


Your memory is also very selective. I have stated several times now
that I did report you to Isomedia and that I did send Mr. Maulding a
copy of your email; that's how I found out that you changed the message
he sent you. He told me, however, that he is sick and tired about
dealing with you and this issue, so he wasn't going to give you any
credibility, even by suing you.


No, your lies are riddled with anomalies. Isomedia do indeed permit
the
publication of emails on the internet. You are prevaricating like a
politician stripped of all dignity in your quest to dupe everyone.


It is not my responsibility if the facts I have reported contradict
your Barkervillian delusional fantasies.

Kevin L. O'Brien

alamocitycomics wrote:

I contacted Maulding and am waiting for a response. You people don't
know me so I have nothing to gain or lose. Hopefully this Maulding
dude
will respond to my question concerning the validity of Haunted
River/People's Poet's claim.

Afterwards, there really isn't anything to discuss. I'm impartial and
will post all headers and email once received....I should say "IF"
received.


I hope you get a response. However, Mr. Maulding told me that he
frankly was pretty sick of this whole issue and did not intend to reply
to further inquiries from ininvolved third parties. In any event, we
shall see.

Kevin L. O'Brien

Haunted River wrote:

I applaud your intervention. Thanks. I've stated on several occasions
that I want to end this acrimony as soon as possible.


LOL! Then stop bringing it up all the time and we will stop discussing
it.


After a brief
victory dance, I will drop the matter - provided that John Pelan and
Kevin O'Brien do the decent thing and apologise.


Ah, so, if you don't get your way you'll keep on creating more rancor?
Why does that not surprise me?

Kevin L. O'Brien

Although O'Brien and Pelan are about to be exposed independently as
liars, O'Brien has just blundered into another quite stunning gaffe,
pre-empting said expose.

He said:

"I never said the headers were faked; Mr. Maulding confirmed to me that
the headers were accurate. What he said was that you changed his
message in the body of the email that went with the headers. That
itself is very easy to do. Once you copy and paste the email into a
text editing program, you can then change any part of it you want to.
You did not change the headers but you did change the message itself.
That has been confirmed by Mr. Maulding to me."

Well, aside from the fact that O'Brien never thought to mention this
new piece of information until now, he has once again shot himself in
the foot.

I never published the headers to the emails he references. Therefore,
it would be impossible for him to forward them on to any third party,
least of all Barry Maulding at Isomedia.

How many embarrassing gaffes does O'Brien need to commit before he
decides to leave newsnet gracefully?

I very clearly recall only quoting excerpts from Barry Maulding's
emails on newsnet, no headers. In response to this quotation of
comments, O'Brien claimed to have then liaised with Mr Maulding, and
obtained statements from him disputing my claims, and denying having
ever sent those earlier emails. O'Brien referred to these alleged email
exchanges with Barry M in at least two newsgroups as the archives will
prove.

In response to this, I emailed Barry M and asked him to comment on
O'Brien's highly dubious claim to have received an email response from
Isomedia. In response Barry M replied:

"Mr. Barker,

Regarding your email of Dec. 29, you are authorized to publish any
emails I sent you and this email.

I do not deny and have not denied that I warned Mr. Pelan to stop
making false claims about being an owner of ISOMEDIA.

Barry Maulding
General Counsel"

Thus clearly refuting O'Brien's version of events, and denying that
O'Brien had even been in contact with him.

It was only at this point in time that I opted to post the last email
received from Isomedia - with full headers - in newsnet groups. Thus
O'Brien's new claim to have copied the headers from earlier messages is
completely unfounded.

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Of additional interest is the fact that Kevin O'Brien now also claims
that Barry Maulding long ago told him that Isomedia weren't bothered
about suing me for supposedly faking quotes by them on the internet. If
this is the case, if O'Brien knows full well that Isomedia have no
interest in pursuing people who willingly misquote them, then why he is
so unwiling to actually publish the emails he claims to have received
from Barry Maulding? If Isomedia aren't bothered about suing me for
inventing fake quotes, why on earth should O'Brien be worried about
publishing actual ones?

No, this is all very fishy indeed. The logic just doesn't stack up
properly.

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It won't be long before Pelan and O'Brien's duplicitous behaviour is
confirmed by an independent party. I wonder how their friends will
react? I personally think it is a damning indictment of how supposedly
mature adults act when posting messages onto the internet, in that so
many people willfully encourage their lying and abusive practises.

However, I do hope that several group regulars - the independents
amongst us - finally have the decency to come forward and condemn Pelan
and O'Brien for having lied and for having contributed so significantly
to group acrimony. They should put aside their concersn about offending
a HWA official, and source any Midnight House books they might want
from a third party source, rather than keep quiet for such reasons.
Those that don't are cowards, and I personally think less of each of
you for implicitly condoning his actions.

Pelan owes an important apology to a great many people, not just me. If
he isn't urged to make one, no matter how damning or conclusive the
evidence against him, then the majority of you *are* craven sycophants,
and you have no right whatsoever to ever question my integrity.

CB

http://hauntedriver.co.uk

Barker:

You have no integrity, no credibility and your six month crusade over
an out-of-context remark that any ISP "would be more interested in
selling me stock than listening to the complaints of an unemployed
nutter in the UK"; has grown tiresome. You operate dozens of
sock-puppets, spam newsgroups, steal intellectual property, and stalk
disinterested third parties until they send you concilitory e-mails in
the desperate hope that you'll leave them in peace. This, couple with
your racism and homophobia are really all that anyone needs to know
about you. You are a disgusting little man and that's all you'll ever
be.

It's quite obvious to all what you're up to here, and no one's buying
it. The recent poll conducted by one of your allies should serve to
show you exactly where you stand. No one believes your ravings and you
are nothing more than a tiresome nuisance. I'm no longer going to even
give you the dignity of slapping you down when you get uppity. You may
continue to rant and rave and soil this newsgroup, I won't bother
responding to you, Kevin seems quite capable of making a mockery of you
without any help from me. Imagine, contacting the authors in his
anthologies to whine that their publisher was mocking you on the
Internet... What a pathetic creature you are...

Good day.


John

I also contacted Maulding. I received a very brief reply that
unfortunately cleared up nothing that remains in dispute.

--Mike

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...c8d4dbf6?hl=en

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