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Old November 9th 05, 04:30 PM
AK47
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"amesh" wrote in
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Collectors of Art Stamps have often discussed which was the first art
topical stamp to be issued. Some say that this collecting area began
with the French art series in the early 1960's,


Spain's Goya nude of 1930 (Scott 397-399) comes to mind.Back in the middle
of the last century pre-teen boys loved that stamp.

The series of which the nudes were part honored Goya, the artist.The oter
stamps in the series pictured Goya himself.
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Old November 9th 05, 05:01 PM
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"AK47" skrev i en meddelelse
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"amesh" wrote in
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Collectors of Art Stamps have often discussed which was the first art
topical stamp to be issued. Some say that this collecting area began
with the French art series in the early 1960's,


Spain's Goya nude of 1930 (Scott 397-399) comes to mind.Back in the middle
of the last century pre-teen boys loved that stamp.


I can understand that!
Here's the 1 peseta-stamp from the set
http://arthistory.heindorffhus.dk/go...pta-medium.jpg

taken from my Goya-page
http://arthistory.heindorffhus.dk/frame-Goya.htm

Mette




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Old November 9th 05, 08:34 PM
amesh
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"Didier Cuidet" skrev i en meddelelse
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Le Wed, 9 Nov 2005 20:24:05 +0800, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
"Rodney" a écrit :


Hiya Mette,

Here is the Guildhall medal
http://cjoint.com/data/ljnroDtwht.htm


And here the projects for the first French stamp :
URL:http://www.museedelaposte.fr/Chercheurs/Les_Tresors_du_Musee/Archives.htm#art601

There is no mention about a Greek coin.

In that case, the goddess must be called Demeter and not Ceres.
URL:http://waltm.net/demeter.htm


Interisting link, thank you.

Mette



Caution, the last page has music.

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Old November 9th 05, 08:38 PM
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"Didier Cuidet" skrev i en meddelelse
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Le Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:30:47 -0600, dans rec.collecting.stamps.discuss,
AK47 a écrit :

"amesh" wrote in
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Collectors of Art Stamps have often discussed which was the first art
topical stamp to be issued. Some say that this collecting area began
with the French art series in the early 1960's,


Spain's Goya nude of 1930 (Scott 397-399) comes to mind.Back in the
middle
of the last century pre-teen boys loved that stamp.


These three French stamps, issued in 1917, are showing existing
sculptures :

Le Lion de Belfort
URL:http://www.philatelix.fr/Catalogue/timbres.cfm?prov=annee_timbres&Annee=1900&dallay=1 52
URL:http://www.phan-ngoc.com/fred/paris/html/lionbelfort.html

La Marseillaise
URL:http://www.philatelix.fr/Catalogue/timbres.cfm?prov=annee_timbres&Annee=1900&dallay=1 53
URL:http://www.philatelix.fr/Catalogue/timbres.cfm?prov=annee_timbres&Annee=1900&dallay=1 54
URL:http://www.parisrama.com/thematique_arc_de_triomphe/theme_adtcelysees/pages/025.htm


Thank you. I will look into them soonest posssible.
Mette




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Old November 9th 05, 08:51 PM
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Even more symbolic were the 1 to 3 hangman's nooses
placed on Italian letters to signify the degree of urgency.
(ie the degree of punishment to the messenger for
delaying the message.) 8*)

Blair

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Old November 9th 05, 09:23 PM
Pierre Courtiade
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Didier Cuidet wrote :
In that case, the goddess must be called Demeter and not Ceres.
URL:http://waltm.net/demeter.htm

Caution, the last page has music.


A nice quiet music, BTW ;-)
Thanks, Didier.


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Old November 9th 05, 09:34 PM
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"Blair (TC)" skrev i en meddelelse
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Even more symbolic were the 1 to 3 hangman's nooses
placed on Italian letters to signify the degree of urgency.
(ie the degree of punishment to the messenger for
delaying the message.) 8*)

Blair

Naughty boy, Blair 8*)



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Old November 9th 05, 09:38 PM
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"amesh" skrev i en meddelelse
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Collectors of Art Stamps have often discussed which was the first art
topical stamp to be issued. Some say that this collecting area began with
the French art series in the early 1960's, while others believe that it
may be the French stamp from 1849 depicting Ceres, and yet others that it
was the British Penny Black.

In the bi-monthly publication "Topical Time" published by American Topical
Association, #334/2005, Column "Topical Postline", appears a letter to the
editor

"--- sent an inquiry to American Philatelic Research Library, asking for
the design source of France #1. The response states, "An explanation of
the design appears in James Mackay's book "An Illustrated History of Stamp
Design". France introduced stamps in January 1849, but instead of using
the portrait of a living person, [they] chose the profile of Ceres,
goddess of agriculture, in a circular frame with a rectangular border
(Scott #1). The head of Ceres was taken from ancient Greek coins, a
logical source of inspiration since coins and stamps were analogous in
many respects".

" --- I am not sure whether this qualifies as being the earliest use of
art on stamps; I think this depends upon how one defines fine arts. The
portrait on the 1840 British Penny Black (Scott #1) was based on "The
Guildhall Medal of 1838" showing Wyon's profile of Queen Victoria. Might
this not be considered to be fine arts?"

What do other (art stamp) collectors think?



C'mon guys and gals,
What was the earliest art stamp in *your* country?

Mette



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Old November 9th 05, 11:34 PM
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Well, for Australia, I'd guess..........

A painting by Virgil Reilly shown on the front cover
of Australia's favourite Womens magazine in 1939
inspired Frank Manly for the 1940 Oz issues.

The 3 servicemen shown in the painting, were killed during
the war. The nurse is the artist's wife.

All persons used in the stamp design survived the war.

http://cjoint.com/data/ljxDYz30CL.htm
apologies for poor example.


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Old November 10th 05, 01:30 AM
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amesh a écrit:
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Hi Mette,

every portrait on a stamp was made by an artist (painter, designer or
what ever), so every stamp needs a blueprint. Designing stamps is an act
of art.

So the question should be specified, I think:

If You define "art on stamps" as reproduction of an existing painting or
sculpture to honore the artwork, then it is easy to look for the first
stamp issue honoring an artist or his work.

The Penny Black only honored Queen Victory as a living Majesty, not the
artwork of the designer of the portrait.

The same with the French Ceres. This picture was used as a symbol, not to
reproduce an antique artwork. So in my humble opinion it is not an example
for "art on stamps".

It´s a problem of definition, I think.



Hi Gerhard,
Personally I think it is a question of definition. However, I could think of
a third definition: an artwork especially designed for the stamp format, and
which is not an already existing artwork reproduced on stamps. Such stamps
do exist, but they are not many. Out of the hat I can think of one
Hundertwasser-stamp, and 1-2 of the recent Danish art stamps.

I would like to hear other opinions :-)


Hello,

As pointed out by Gerhard, all stamps are somehow
art (well, a few exceptions exist, I don't think
Blue Boy qualifies as art). Well-known artists
(known for arts outside the stamp world) have
designed stamps, even definitive stamps (Jean
Cocteau made a Marianne for instance), and
most stamp artists also produce art.

So I see 2 ways to define Art on Stamp :

1) by the stamp subject : is it Art ?

The answer can generally be answered by yes or no.
For instance, all stamps designed by Decaris are not Art
on Stamp, but the one issued about Decaris is !
The Liberty by Delacroix is Art on Stamp when
reproduced in 1999, but is not when it's
the definitive set engraved by Gandon.

2) by the stamp illustration : is it Art ?

Well, you can make your opinion the large way (always
or so), or make some personal choices :
reproduction of existing art (so, if the painting is
done for the stamp, it's no more art ?), if the
art is from a "big" name, ... As it's a matter
of personal taste (or "expert" taste), you basically
have to decide what is art and what is not...
In this case, I don't see how to agree for the first "Art on Stamp"
stamp ! My personal taste would be the Black Penny,
as it's Art in many ways : reproduction of a
medal, great adaption to plane design, and
great engraving.

There is another way to see Art & Stamp, it's
to collect the actual art : original drawings
and also die proofs (when the dies are from the hand
of an engraver) are Art, not mere reproductions !


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