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Old October 7th 04, 01:35 AM
Rodney
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Hi Roger,
I'm not sure of anything

What I like to do, is to follow the convention laid down by Australia Post.
I recall when checking one issue (I think it was the desert flower)
that the bulletin quoted what we know as the second type die cut,
(the one that Blair refers to, that looks similar to a normal perf)
was quoted as "gummed'

I have never handled a new issue of this type, so I was assuming
it to be a die cut water activated issue, or gummed.

It is quite apparent I shall have to look into this further.
Australia Post seems to quote the printer/producer as a guide
rather than gum type in their catalogues, and I think I shall
follow.




| Rod
| Are you sure that there are any die-cut gummed issues, or have I forgotten
| the obvious?
| Roger



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Old October 7th 04, 01:58 AM
Rodney
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OK have sent them,
please advise on any missing issues




| it would be very kind, I check times to times on the Post website in
| order to update my wantlist, but all the stamps in 1 time, grreat! ;o)
| no hurries, do this when you have the time
| --
| ThibauT
| ben vi c'est remoi )


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Old October 7th 04, 02:34 AM
Rodney
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In my "kwik vu" series in the future, I shall adopt the following.

There may be just 2 types of issues "gummed" or "self adhesive"

The default perf on the self adhesive ( I call it "ps") will be assumed SNP
In the instance of the perf style changing, I shall add the quote "ps pem"
to indicate Pemara production, the company that produces the sharper defined
corner perfs.


Elaboration:
The differences in the die cuts are due to two different printers
producing the self-adhesives.
Each printer has their own die cutters for the stamps.



· SNP (formerly known as Snaprint) has been the
primary supplier of both booklets and rolls, and you will find
that their die cut tends to have rounded corners and more
pointed perfs with a size of around 11½.
(I refer to these as "crowned corners")


· The Pemara die cut has more clearly defined corners
and sharper, more square-cut perfs with a size of around 13.
(In a single stamp it can be rather difficult distinguishing the Pemara
die cut from a normal sheet stamp.) Pemara has been a secondary
printer when SNP have been unable meet demand. Pemara have
generally supplied rolls, but I believe that they have been producing
some booklets to meet Australia Post needs.



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Old October 7th 04, 05:05 AM
Rein Bakhuizen van den Brink
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dear Rodney,

my impression was that at least the comb-perf-look-alike as used for
coils was made by Pemara, that SNP has usd at least 3 different die-cut
among them the 'pointed teeths' and 2 or 3 different 'rounded teeths [or sinoid
as I used to call them]. I agree that last part is the hardest to discern...


groetjes, Rein

On 7 Oct 2004 09:34:37 +, "Rodney" wrote:

In my "kwik vu" series in the future, I shall adopt the following.

There may be just 2 types of issues "gummed" or "self adhesive"

The default perf on the self adhesive ( I call it "ps") will be assumed SNP
In the instance of the perf style changing, I shall add the quote "ps pem"
to indicate Pemara production, the company that produces the sharper defined
corner perfs.


Elaboration:
The differences in the die cuts are due to two different printers
producing the self-adhesives.
Each printer has their own die cutters for the stamps.



· SNP (formerly known as Snaprint) has been the
primary supplier of both booklets and rolls, and you will find
that their die cut tends to have rounded corners and more
pointed perfs with a size of around 11½.
(I refer to these as "crowned corners")


· The Pemara die cut has more clearly defined corners
and sharper, more square-cut perfs with a size of around 13.
(In a single stamp it can be rather difficult distinguishing the Pemara
die cut from a normal sheet stamp.) Pemara has been a secondary
printer when SNP have been unable meet demand. Pemara have
generally supplied rolls, but I believe that they have been producing
some booklets to meet Australia Post needs.



.

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Old October 7th 04, 08:00 AM
Rodney
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| dear Rodney,
| my impression was that at least the comb-perf-look-alike as used for
| coils was made by Pemara.

Yes I'd agree.

that SNP has usd at least 3 different die-cut
| among them the 'pointed teeths' and 2 or 3 different 'rounded teeths [or sinoid
| as I used to call them]. I agree that last part is the hardest to discern...

I havn't been aware of this, but now will keep a lookout
as I sort the thousands I have recently soaked.
If differing perfs arrive, I'll scan and post.

I do not come into contact with many booklets, so unable to
ascertain the differing types via this route.

Cheers



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Old October 7th 04, 12:44 PM
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Pour participer à nos (d)ébats, "Rodney"
sussurait le Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:00:37 +0800 :

Hi all,

| dear Rodney,
| my impression was that at least the comb-perf-look-alike as used for
| coils was made by Pemara.

Yes I'd agree.

that SNP has usd at least 3 different die-cut
| among them the 'pointed teeths' and 2 or 3 different 'rounded teeths [or sinoid
| as I used to call them]. I agree that last part is the hardest to discern...

I havn't been aware of this, but now will keep a lookout
as I sort the thousands I have recently soaked.
If differing perfs arrive, I'll scan and post.

I do not come into contact with many booklets, so unable to
ascertain the differing types via this route.


my english and my knowledge of technical terms are not good enough to
understand all the differences you mentionned.

as I explain in my long message about adhesive stamps, I recognise
easily 2 kinds of adhesive, and with an perf gauge a 3rd kind (slight
perf variation of 1/4-1/2)

if anyone have pictures of each stamps, it would be more easy to
understand, many thanks in advance from a franch australian collector
(and as everybody knows, french people are bad english readers and
writters ;o) )


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ThibauT
Best regards from Vergèze (France), city of Perrier ;o)
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Old October 7th 04, 12:54 PM
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BINGO,,,,,,,,Rodney, you hit the nail on the head. The prize is a shoebox full
of 80's Australia stamps, you must pay postage and soak them.
Now to get everyone in stampdom to use the simple terms like WAG, Water
Activated Gum. It is a bit better than LAS, Lick And Stick.
SA = Self Adhesieve here in America where we know itg all...g

Ralphael the OLD master
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Old October 7th 04, 03:39 PM
Rodney
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| BINGO,,,,,,,,Rodney, you hit the nail on the head. The prize is a shoebox full
| of 80's Australia stamps, you must pay postage and soak them.

That's a prize? more like a headache

I must say, the recent peel and stick, sorry, self adhesive, do soak
reasonable easily. Cold water and a longer soak (about an hour)
One of my dealer colleagues figures, that soaking, if not for fun
and relaxation, should be undertaken with the consideration
that at the minimum wage in Australia works out at about
14 cents per minute.
Soaking does have it's payoffs though, for the second time in a week
I have concluded large swaps of 1000 pieces.

| Now to get everyone in stampdom to use the simple terms like WAG, Water
| Activated Gum. It is a bit better than LAS, Lick And Stick.
| SA = Self Adhesieve

here in America where we know itg all...g

I don't think "know it all" is country specific, it's an individual personality trait

| Ralphael the OLD master




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Old October 7th 04, 03:42 PM
Rodney
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I'll work on it ThibauT,
I have trouble with the 3rd type of perf variation you quote
I have not seen it as yet.

I'll be in touch.
Rgds


| as I explain in my long message about adhesive stamps, I recognise
| easily 2 kinds of adhesive, and with an perf gauge a 3rd kind (slight
| perf variation of 1/4-1/2)
|
| if anyone have pictures of each stamps, it would be more easy to
| understand, many thanks in advance from a franch australian collector
| (and as everybody knows, french people are bad english readers and
| writters ;o) )
|
|
| --
| ThibauT
| Best regards from Vergèze (France), city of Perrier ;o)


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Old October 7th 04, 04:11 PM
Roger Smith
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"Rodney" wrote in message
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Hi Roger,
I'm not sure of anything

What I like to do, is to follow the convention laid down by Australia

Post.
I recall when checking one issue (I think it was the desert flower)
that the bulletin quoted what we know as the second type die cut,
(the one that Blair refers to, that looks similar to a normal perf)
was quoted as "gummed'

I have never handled a new issue of this type, so I was assuming
it to be a die cut water activated issue, or gummed.

It is quite apparent I shall have to look into this further.
Australia Post seems to quote the printer/producer as a guide
rather than gum type in their catalogues, and I think I shall
follow.

Rod, I think that I have all of the recent Australian issues in mint corner
blocks, coil strips or compete booklets as appropriate (except for a few
koala reprints which I am continually on the lookout for) and the types of
die cut used by both SNP and Pemara have varied from issue to issue.
Usually the number of "perforations" per 2 cm differs between the two
producers of P&S issues and that is a good guide to identify them with
reference to a specialised catalogue. I would be extremely surprised if
Australia Post did not distinguish between "conventional" issues and the P&S
ones in their literature. In their Bulletin no 277, for example, they
identify separate gummed and self-adhesive stamps in the Grand Prix set
coming out next week.

To return to my original point, I think that the only issues with genuine
perforations (ie with holes between adjacent stamps) are those on
conventional gum. No doubt in some issues the pattern of the die cut has
been designed to make used singles appear to have the same tooth pattern as
the comb perf gummed stamps - but that would seem to be for a cosmetic
reason only to give comfort to the purchaser. It cannot help in removing
the stamp from its backing prior to use.

If you have any queries, I (and no doubt other readers) shall be delighted
to identify your stamps if you place them on the web.

Best regards, Roger


 




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