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Old April 29th 08, 04:57 PM posted to rec.collecting.paper-money
Matthew Brealey
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Default Banknote albums (Lindner and Safe), PVC

I've invested in a Lindner album.

I looked at a few others (virtually) before buying.

Basically I like the 18 ring design.

It is actually also sold for stamps - you don't need a 'banknote'
album, just a Lindner 18-ring binder.

This is the album

http://www.lindner-usa.com/catalog/stamppages/29.html

There are several versions with code numbers, in price order, prices
from 'ihobb.com':

1104 is a padded plastic grain-effect binder (US$42)
814 is the slip case (US$25)
1124 is the binder and slip case set ($60)

1102Y is the 'standard' padded plastic binder, which is possibly less
attractive than the 1104 binder (US$47)
810BY is the slip case ($23)
1122 is the set ($64)

1102 is the 'exclusive' hand-made binder in leatherette with 'gold'
embossing ($70)
810 is the slip case ($23)
1120 is the set ($84)

1102L is the top-of-the-range, real leather, binder ($128)
810BL is the slip case ($23)
1121 is the set ($23)

The three 810 slip cases are all the same material, vinyl-covered
card.

It might seem that the $128 album is quite a big difference in price.

But that's before you consider the cost of the album pages!

These have code numbers:

830 2 pocket, 240mm x 140mm maximum notesize, with interleaving page
(for notes)
831 3 pocket, 240mm x 90mm maximum notesize, with interleaving page
832 4 pocket, 240mm x 65mm maximum notesize, with interleaving page

Whichever way you look at it, these are going to set you back
$2/£1/€1.30 EACH.

So a full album of 35 * 3 pocket pages is going to cost you, minimum:

35 * $2 + $60 = $130 for the basic album

That will hold 105 notes - about $1.25 per note. If you have large or
small notes the numbers will differ. Not cheap. But the albums do look
nice.

Alternatively you can buy the 'Lindner Banknote Album', what you will
receive is:

binder #1104
slip case #814
10 x 2-pocket page #830
10 x 3-pocket page #831

for about $90.

Not too bad, providing you have lots of large notes to put in those 2-
pocket pages. For me, my notes nearly all fit in the 3-pocket page, so
I bought the separate album.

Does anyone have any other suggestions on attractive looking albums?
Specifically, the Lindner albums are very nice, but the $2/page is the
real killer. The main competitor seems to be the 'Safe' binders. They
have a rather small 4-ring and 11-ring albums, and a better 14-ring
product, which is available in vinyl or leather, as follows (pictures
here http://www.safepub.com/Catalog/stamps/14binder.htm):

Morocco machine-made vinyl binder:
$30 non-padded binder code 702
$20 non-padded slipcase 705

$38 padded binder code 704
$24 padded slipcase 712

$50 'tan' with brass corners 9802
$24 'tan' slip case

Yokama hand-made vinyl binder:
$42 binder 773
$24 slipcase 783

$45 'tan' embossed 778
$24 'tan' slipcase 788

$45 with country seal (one of: Austria, Belgium, Canada, DDR,
Denmark, Europe, Faroe Islands, France, Germany, Great Britain,
Greenland, Italy, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Monaco, Netherlands,
Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, USA) 7050
Yokama generic country slipcase $24 784

Skai vinyl binder
$53 binder 805
$24 binder 815

$53 tan binder 703
$24 tan slipcase 713

Slipcase Binder (linen-lined with brass lock and brass corners)
$80 400

Leather Binder
$165 binder 1503
$24 slipcase 1513

Whichever of these you buy, you can fill it with this

lightweight 2-pocket page w/tan vinyl interleaves 250x145mm, pack of
10, code 7352 $16
lightweight 3-pocket page w/tan vinyl interleaves 250x95mm, pack of
10, code 7353 $16
(no 4-pocket)

heavyweight 1-pocket page w/black cardboard interleaves, pack of 10,
code 821, $25
heavyweight 2-pocket page w/black cardboard interleaves, pack of 10,
code 822, $25
heavyweight 3-pocket page w/black cardboard interleaves, pack of 10,
code 823, $25
heavyweight 4-pocket page w/black cardboard interleaves, pack of 10,
code 824, $25

Capacity is 50 of the 7352/7353, or 40 of the 821-824 series.

You can also buy various bundles:

Tan Yokama album + slip case + sliding track + 10 * 3-pocket
lightweight pages $80 Code 778
Unpadded Morocco album + 7 * 3-pocket lightweight page + 3 * 2-pocket
lightweight page $42 Code 7351

The Safe albums do seem to work out SLIGHTLY cheaper - the pages cost
slightly less.
But the bigger advantages seem to be higher capacity (50 sheets vs
35), and the extra 5mm on the height of the pages. I have a good
number of 95mm banknotes.... Any thoughts on comparative quality and
which brand people prefer?

I bought the Lindner, because when I was researching the albums, I
didn't realise that the 'banknote albums' are just regular collectors
albums, and the Safe banknote range is cluttered with inferior-quality
products, which I found it hard to understand.

But having gone through this, looks like the Safe 14-ring set is a
better choice all around.....

Are there other higher-end album choices?

And what is the situation on PVC?

According to Lindner,

"Our crystal clear pocket pages are made of a softener free, crystal
clear Hard-PVC film. "

And Safe imply the same:

"All material that comes in contact with your collection is guaranteed
archival quality, 100% free of plasticizers (chemical softening
agents) and free of stearates. The foil used does not contain
plasticized PVC. "

But there are several web pages advising that you avoid ALL PVC:

"Plastics such as polyvinyl chloride (PVC), which are chemically
unstable, should be avoided."

There's an interesting discussion he

http://www.soviet-awards.com/forum/s...documents.html

'I would not put anything into PVC that I wanted to seriously archive.
Go to Google and type in "PVC archive". Read some of the results.
Mylar-D is the only plastic that I'm aware of that is chemically
stable. The rest all give off a gas over time which transfers onto
your paper. Mylar-D costs more, but you get what you pay for'

'The document enclosures in the range are made from Mylar-D. The local
museum staff STRONGLY suggested that PVC enclosures shoul NEVER be
used for long-term storage.'

There's a somewhat more technical discussion he

http://ilmbwww.gov.bc.ca/risc/pubs/a...hotodoc-12.htm

'Avoid notebook pages made of polyvinyl chloride. Volatile
plasticizers may be exuded from PVC enclosures, and deposit sticky
droplets or gooey coatings on the film, particularly at high humidity
(Keefe and Inch 1990, Wilhelm and Brower 1993). Even under low-
humidity conditions, the plasticizers in flexible PVC can cause
softening, sticking and partial transfer of photocopier images.
Polyvinyl chloride enclosures are inexpensive and widely available; be
extremely wary of any advertising that does not specify the type of
plastic used in the enclosure (Keefe and Inch 1990). Some PVC product
lines, such as the readily-available "DF Snapin" binder pages, are
even labelled by the manufacturer as being "'archival' quality." See
Appendix 3 for a guide to distinguishing between "DF Snapin" PVC pages
and "DF Snapin" poplypropylene pages.'

This discussion is much more gung ho on PVC

http://www.stamps.org/care/subp18.htm#pvc

'Even though it is one of our oldest and most successful plastics, in
use for scores of household products, PVC has been the brunt of
environmental and health criticisms and has been cited as destructive
to collectible postage stamps.

In fact, there are two different types of PVC, plasticized (pPVC) and
unplasticized (uPVC). pPVC is uPVC with plasticizers blended into it.
This makes it more flexible and it is often called "soft" or
"flexible" PVC. However, plasticizers are demonstrably bad for stamps.
uPVC is often called "hard" or "rigid" PVC and it appears to be
harmless to stamps. As Souder points out, the terms flexible/soft and
rigid/hard are confusing because they refer to the polymer blend and
not to products made from that polymer. Thus, highly flexible films
can be made from "rigid" uPVC.'

'In summary, modern pPVC shows major improvements over poorly
performing earlier versions. uPVC appears to be free of any problems
for stamp collectors, as far as tests conducted so far indicate. Even
so, Souder [1] is cautious to state that pPVC films should not be used
with stamps. Though today's plasticizers are much less likely to
migrate from their PVC blends onto stamps than earlier versions, the
potential is ever-present. Even a careful collector may inadvertently
subject a valuable collection to excess pressures and temperatures
that could simulate some damaging migration of the plasticizer onto
stamps.'

I.e. they conclude that uPVC is problem-free, but even pPVC is much
better than it was; this seems well-informed, can anyone contradict it?
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