FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar

In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians
near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life. But it is
also clearly an act of war against the American people, and treason.
It could also be a prelude to attacks on other dissenters, such as
activists in the constitutional militia movement, Ron Paul supporters,
and others. I advise alerting all your people to be ready for
anything.

In the meantime:

We need a flood of letters, faxes, phone calls, and emails protesting
this unlawful action by the federal government, to members of
Congress, the President, and the media. We also need to make it an
issue in this campaign. Ask every candidate in every party for his or
her position on the issue.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:36:51 -0500
From: Liberty Dollar
To:


Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen
FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in
Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver,
all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where
just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the
computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know
what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to
push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our
right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should
not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the
paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine
Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and
Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the
Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper
certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the
FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was
designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and
in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about
a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it
will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency
should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We
cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don't let this
happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and
Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did
nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use
this terrible act to band together and further our goal - to return
America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use
the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your
property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the
following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn
government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect


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I saw this earlier but I believe it to be a hoax. Check out google
news and you will see only two "news" sources
have picked up the story and both from the website and email.

I think this is just a made up publicity stunt.

stonej wrote:
I saw this earlier but I believe it to be a hoax. Check out google
news and you will see only two "news" sources
have picked up the story and both from the website and email.

I think this is just a made up publicity stunt.

Possibility of a publicity stunt, however, as I met Von Nothaus at the
ANA in Milwaukee, I received the following email.

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen
FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in
Evansville.

For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver,
all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where
just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the
computers and froze our bank accounts.

We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know
what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to
push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our
right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should
not to be defrauded by the fake government money.

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the
paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine
Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and
Silver Libertys have been taken.

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the
Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper
certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the
FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was
designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and
in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about
a million is in paper or digital form.

I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it
will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions.

Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency
should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We
cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don't let this
happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and
Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did
nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use
this terrible act to band together and further our goal - to return
America to a value based currency.

Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use
the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation.

Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your
property back!

If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the
following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php

Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn
government and their dollar sinks to a new low.

Bernard von NotHaus

Monetary Architect

On Nov 15, 1:00�pm, Jon_Roland quoted:

This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the
Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper
certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the
FBI and Services took all the paper currency too.

Ummm....why would the Director of the MINT be commenting on the
legality of paper currency?

While he may have a personal opinion, he would have no authority in
this matter. His boss, the Secretary of the Treasury, should be the
one to comment after consulting with the Department of Justice.

I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen
FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in
Evansville.


For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver,
all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where
just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the
computers and froze our bank accounts.


The story came out long before 2 PM which would be six hours from 8
AM. It does not add up.

Jon_Roland wrote:

In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians
near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life.

What a load of BS. The wackos at Waco fired on the FBI & ATF that is how
the mess started. I guess David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) wasn't
Jesus after all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...vidkoresh.html


But it is
also clearly an act of war against the American people, and treason.
It could also be a prelude to attacks on other dissenters, such as
activists in the constitutional militia movement,

aka as white supremacists, neo nazis and ignorant hillbillies.


Ron Paul supporters,

aka as simple minded people looking for simple solutions to complicated
problems.

and others. I advise alerting all your people to be ready for
anything.

In the meantime:


Get out your BS waders.

JAM

Article 1 Section 8 of the US constitution

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts
and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and
general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and
excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states,
and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the
subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix
the standard of weights and measures;

To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and
current coin of the United States;

stonej wrote:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen
FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in
Evansville.


For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver,
all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where
just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the
computers and froze our bank accounts.


The story came out long before 2 PM which would be six hours from 8
AM. It does not add up.

Well, if it was a publicity stunt it was done in terribly bad taste, and
actionable on its own.
However, if an actual raid and confiscation occurred, I don't know the
laws covering such things, but it would seem to me to be an abomination.
I was also looking forward to gaining one of those copper Ron Paul
dollars this month. According to reports they seem to have taken the
entire mintage of those.

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:12:51 -0500, Bill Dukenfield wrote:
Jon_Roland wrote:

In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians
near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life.

What a load of BS. The wackos at Waco fired on the FBI & ATF that is how
the mess started. I guess David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) wasn't
Jesus after all.

The federal government had many opportunities to apprehend Koresh when
he left the compound to go into town. Even the most rabid of apologists
would have a hard time defending the government's actions in that whole
clusterfark. (There, I edited the last word so as not to be chastized
for offending sensitive readers).

Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:12:51 -0500, Bill Dukenfield wrote:
Jon_Roland wrote:

In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians
near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life.

What a load of BS. The wackos at Waco fired on the FBI & ATF that is how
the mess started. I guess David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) wasn't
Jesus after all.

The federal government had many opportunities to apprehend Koresh when
he left the compound to go into town. Even the most rabid of apologists
would have a hard time defending the government's actions in that whole
clusterfark. (There, I edited the last word so as not to be chastized
for offending sensitive readers).

Nothing to apologize for.

Pull a gun on a copper, any copper, and see what happens to you. This is
a fact of life even if you think you are Jesus.

A bible thumping megalomaniac lead his weak-minded followers to their
unnecessary deaths. David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) is
responsible for these deaths and no one else. He was no better than Jim
Jones or Osama Ben Laden.

JAM

On Nov 15, 9:10 pm, Bill Dukenfield wrote:

A bible thumping megalomaniac lead his weak-minded followers to their
unnecessary deaths. David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) is
responsible for these deaths and no one else. He was no better than Jim
Jones or Osama Ben Laden.

Bull****!
The government ****ed up big time in Waco and only an idiot would
defend their actions.