Does anybody have a Tiberius gold tribute penny for sale?

Does anybody have a Tiberius gold tribute penny for sale?

I am looking for a VF or basically decent example.

Please email me:

How about this?

http://www.vcoins.com/realms/store/v...ct=329&large=0


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"Clark Smith" wrote in message
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Does anybody have a Tiberius gold tribute penny for sale?

I am looking for a VF or basically decent example.

Please email me:

Clark Smith wrote
Does anybody have a Tiberius gold tribute penny for sale?
From: Jim Higgins )
Date: 2003-10-27 10:02:32 PST
How about this?
http://www.vcoins.com/realms/store/v...ct=329&large=0

Well, if I recall the New Testament correctly, relying on a GREEK
edition based on the original oldest texts ... the Synpotic Gospels
say quite clearly that Jesus asked for A COIN and the men brought him
A DENARIUS. They did not bring him an aureus or a stater or a drachma
or a "mite" or anything else. The so-called "Tribute Penny" has been
identified as any one of possibly several coin types, not all of which
are Roman denarii. However, making a gold coin into the Tribute Penny
would require a bit of published scholarship. For one thing, the
subject at hand was TAXATION; and taxes were commonly paid in silver.
The specific fees alluded to in "should we pay our taxes to Caesar"
was not a direct tax paid to Rome, but an indirect tax, paid to the
Temple and then from the Temple to Rome. Temple dues were defined in
silver. Many kinds of coins circulated, of course, thus necessitating
(they claimed) the money-changers in the Temple.

That said, the Tiberius/Pax denarius is only one possibility and not
the most likely one at that. The Lucius-Gaius issues of Augustus are
more likely and about one-third to one-half the price of a
Tiberius/Pax. There are two reasons for this: (1) People who think
that the Tiberius/Pax denarius is the "Tribute Penny" bid them up and
that is possible to do because (2) they are not that common. Fact (2)
makes them statistically less likely to be the one you seek.

"Buy the book before you buy the coin." Aaron Feldman.

Michael E. Marotta
ANA R-162953

"Michael E. Marotta" wrote in message
om...
Clark Smith wrote
Does anybody have a Tiberius gold tribute penny for sale?
From: Jim Higgins )
Date: 2003-10-27 10:02:32 PST
How about this?
http://www.vcoins.com/realms/store/v...ct=329&large=0

Well, if I recall the New Testament correctly, relying on a GREEK
edition based on the original oldest texts ... the Synpotic Gospels
say quite clearly that Jesus asked for A COIN and the men brought him
A DENARIUS. They did not bring him an aureus or a stater or a drachma
or a "mite" or anything else. The so-called "Tribute Penny" has been
identified as any one of possibly several coin types, not all of which
are Roman denarii. However, making a gold coin into the Tribute Penny
would require a bit of published scholarship. For one thing, the
subject at hand was TAXATION; and taxes were commonly paid in silver.
The specific fees alluded to in "should we pay our taxes to Caesar"
was not a direct tax paid to Rome, but an indirect tax, paid to the
Temple and then from the Temple to Rome. Temple dues were defined in
silver. Many kinds of coins circulated, of course, thus necessitating
(they claimed) the money-changers in the Temple.

That said, the Tiberius/Pax denarius is only one possibility and not
the most likely one at that. The Lucius-Gaius issues of Augustus are
more likely and about one-third to one-half the price of a
Tiberius/Pax. There are two reasons for this: (1) People who think
that the Tiberius/Pax denarius is the "Tribute Penny" bid them up and
that is possible to do because (2) they are not that common. Fact (2)
makes them statistically less likely to be the one you seek.

"Buy the book before you buy the coin." Aaron Feldman.

Michael E. Marotta
ANA R-162953


This from my KJVII, Luke:

"20:24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They
answered and said, Caesar's.
20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which
be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."

Does this just mean that "penny" is synonymous with "coin" as may "denarius"
be in the Greek-based edition?

I can only find (cursorily) "pennies" in the NT and "talents" in the OT
(KJVII, as I said). Lots of references to gold and silver, but I can't find
any other coin names (could be wrong!)

Its all Greek to me.

"A.Gent" wrote in message
u...

This from my KJVII, Luke:

"20:24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They
answered and said, Caesar's.
20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things
which
be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."

Does this just mean that "penny" is synonymous with "coin" as may
"denarius"
be in the Greek-based edition?

I can only find (cursorily) "pennies" in the NT and "talents" in the OT
(KJVII, as I said). Lots of references to gold and silver, but I can't
find
any other coin names (could be wrong!)

Its all Greek to me.


"Penny" is just how denarius was translated to English.

Eric

On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:15:40 +1100, "A.Gent"
wrote:

Does this just mean that "penny" is synonymous with "coin" as may "denarius"
be in the Greek-based edition?

It's just a bad translation of coin. It in all likelihood was a
tribute denarius, not tribute penny. The Roman denarius would later
evolve into the French silver denier, which was used as a model for
the British silver penny, which later evolved into the British copper
penny. But in Biblical times there was no such thing as a penny.

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Clark Smith wrote
Does anybody have a Tiberius gold tribute penny for sale?
From: Jim Higgins )
Date: 2003-10-27 10:02:32 PST
How about this?
http://www.vcoins.com/realms/store/v...ct=329&large=0

Well, if I recall the New Testament correctly, relying on a GREEK
edition based on the original oldest texts ... the Synpotic Gospels
say quite clearly that Jesus asked for A COIN and the men brought him
A DENARIUS. They did not bring him an aureus or a stater or a drachma
or a "mite" or anything else. The so-called "Tribute Penny" has been
identified as any one of possibly several coin types, not all of which
are Roman denarii. However, making a gold coin into the Tribute Penny
would require a bit of published scholarship. For one thing, the
subject at hand was TAXATION; and taxes were commonly paid in silver.
The specific fees alluded to in "should we pay our taxes to Caesar"
was not a direct tax paid to Rome, but an indirect tax, paid to the
Temple and then from the Temple to Rome. Temple dues were defined in
silver. Many kinds of coins circulated, of course, thus necessitating
(they claimed) the money-changers in the Temple.

That said, the Tiberius/Pax denarius is only one possibility and not
the most likely one at that. The Lucius-Gaius issues of Augustus are
more likely and about one-third to one-half the price of a
Tiberius/Pax. There are two reasons for this: (1) People who think
that the Tiberius/Pax denarius is the "Tribute Penny" bid them up and
that is possible to do because (2) they are not that common. Fact (2)
makes them statistically less likely to be the one you seek.

"Buy the book before you buy the coin." Aaron Feldman.

Michael E. Marotta
ANA R-162953


This from my KJVII, Luke:

"20:24 Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They
answered and said, Caesar's.
20:25 And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things
which
be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's."

Does this just mean that "penny" is synonymous with "coin" as may
"denarius"
be in the Greek-based edition?
snip


Here is a good discussion of the Tribute Penny:

http://tinyurl.com/sqp5

Eric

"The Fausts" wrote
Here is a good discussion of the Tribute Penny:
http://tinyurl.com/sqp5

Here is another:
www.coin-newbies.com/articles/caesars.html

You might want to check into the history of the King James Version of
the Bible. We tend to use modernized renditions, as the English
language has changed. These are nonetheless not the same as "New" or
"Modern" re-translations of the Bible. That is why I relied on some
materials I have in ancient Greek.

The New Testament was written in Greek. Greek was the lingua franca
of the Roman world. I believe that it was St. Jerome who translated
the New Testament into Latin, creating the Vulgate Bible. (Jerome
also fixed his calendar from the birth of Jesus, rather than from the
founding of Rome.) So, New Testament Greek is an interest area for
scholars in several related areas.

For instance,
From: Reid Goldsborough )
Subject: Genesis of the cent
Date: 2003-06-10 16:01:57 PST
A "stater" was not a unit of currency. It's just a term we use today
to indicate "standard" when we don't know ...

This is wrong. The stater was a coin type known in ancient times and
mentioned in the New Testament. In the (Modern) KJV, it becomes "a
coin." In the Greek New Testament it is a stater. As with so much of
the Christian Bible, the literal specifics (oddly enough) are not
important. There is a Really Important Message being sent to man by
God via His Word, so the thing in the fish's mouth could have been
Visa Platinum Card with an eBay Logo, for the difference it makes to
the Point of the Story. Nonetheless, the coin was a stater and that
is the literal word of the Bible.

And the Tribute Penny was a denarius, called that in the Greek, again,
the literal word of the Bible is denarius for the Tribute Penny.

Not even philosophising away the existence of God can change the
literal word of the Bible... and that is something to consider as
evidence contrary to the major premise.

Reid Goldsborough wrote
Does this just mean that "penny" is synonymous with "coin" as may "denarius"
be in the Greek-based edition?

It's just a bad translation of coin. It in all likelihood was a
tribute denarius, not tribute penny. The Roman denarius would later
evolve into the French silver denier, which was used as a model for
the British silver penny, which later evolved into the British copper
penny. But in Biblical times there was no such thing as a penny.

(1) The word was denarius, in Greek: spelled with Greek letters, the
Latin word,
denarius.

(2) Jesus asked for "a coin." They brought him "a denarius."

(3) When the King James Version was created, the British penny was a
silver coin. The accounting symbol for it was d for denarius.

You should spend more time with the Bible.

On 30 Oct 2003 17:05:25 -0800, (Michael E.
Marotta) wrote:

(1) The word was denarius, in Greek: spelled with Greek letters, the
Latin word,
denarius.

(2) Jesus asked for "a coin." They brought him "a denarius."

(3) When the King James Version was created, the British penny was a
silver coin. The accounting symbol for it was d for denarius.

You should spend more time with the Bible.

And this is different from what I said how...

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