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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die"strike?
I've been trying, without much success, to research this question. I
have recently noticed several minor doublings that I first notice in doubled rim strikes; sometimes as many as 3 strikes for what appears to be on the face to be a doubled strike. Often the variation is rather minor. But I have seen it happen: one strike on the extreme outer rim of portion of the coin, another near the center portion of the rim, and a third cutting into the date or lettering on the inside of the coin. Is there a standard for when a misaligned die showing mostly on the coin rim becomes a positive indication of a doubled die strike? |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die"strike?
On May 3, 8:06*am, wrote:
I've been trying, without much success, to research this question. I have recently noticed several minor doublings that I first notice in doubled rim strikes; sometimes as many as 3 strikes for what appears to be on the face to be a doubled strike. Often the variation is rather minor. But I have seen it happen: one strike on the extreme outer rim of portion of the coin, another near the center portion of the rim, and a third cutting into the date or lettering on the inside of the coin. Is there a standard for when a misaligned die showing mostly on the coin rim becomes a positive indication of a doubled die strike? True doubled die, or is it strike doubling (die chatter)? I doubt that it is due to misaligned die. |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die" strike?
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: [snip] The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. QUIZ TIME! Which twentieth century overdate coin did James omit from the above list? It's one that I always include, and people ALWAYS miss, when I design a "Red Book Quiz" for a local coin club program ... -- Ken Barr Numismatics email: P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Vallejo Numismatic Society 5/2 (no table) |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die" strike?
Ken Barr wrote:
In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: [snip] The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. QUIZ TIME! Which twentieth century overdate coin did James omit from the above list? It's one that I always include, and people ALWAYS miss, when I design a "Red Book Quiz" for a local coin club program ... I spoze you are talking about the 1914/3 nickel, which may or may not exist with branch mintmarks. James |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die" strike?
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"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: Ken Barr wrote: In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: [snip] The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. QUIZ TIME! Which twentieth century overdate coin did James omit from the above list? It's one that I always include, and people ALWAYS miss, when I design a "Red Book Quiz" for a local coin club program ... I spoze you are talking about the 1914/3 nickel, which may or may not exist with branch mintmarks. Nope ... it's been quite a while since I developed one of these quizzies, and the 1914/3 wasn't known at the time. Hint 1: It's not in a series typically collected by date. Hint 2: It's a trick question ... there are actually TWO such coins not on your list ... The question I posed ustabin "Name the seven twentieth century overdates listed in the Redbook" -- with the 1914/3 nickel now listed, I'll have to change that to "eight" if I ever design a new one. -- Ken Barr Numismatics email: P. O. Box 32541 website: http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA 95152 Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 NEXT SHOW: Vallejo Numismatic Society 5/2 (no table) |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die" strike?
"Ken Barr" wrote:
The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. QUIZ TIME! Which twentieth century overdate coin did James omit from the above list? It's one that I always include, and people ALWAYS miss, when I design a "Red Book Quiz" for a local coin club program ... The 1909/8 $20 Gold? -- Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required) Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die" strike?
Michael Benveniste wrote:
"Ken Barr" wrote: The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. QUIZ TIME! Which twentieth century overdate coin did James omit from the above list? It's one that I always include, and people ALWAYS miss, when I design a "Red Book Quiz" for a local coin club program ... The 1909/8 $20 Gold? I'll bet that's one of them! Isn't there a Liberty half eagle overdate as well? I'm really pretty oblivious to those series. James |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die"strike?
On May 3, 11:48�am, Ken Barr wrote:
In article , �"Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote: [snip] The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. � QUIZ TIME! �Which twentieth century overdate coin did James omit from the above list? � It's one that I always include, and people ALWAYS miss, when I design a "Red Book Quiz" for a local coin club program ... -- Ken Barr Numismatics � � � �email: P. O. Box 32541 � � � � � � website: �http://www.kenbarr.com San Jose, CA �95152 � � Coins, currency, exonumia, souvenir cards, etc. 408-272-3247 � � � � �NEXT SHOW: �Vallejo Numismatic Society 5/2 (no table) I cheated by looking in my Red Book. I'm guessing the 1914/3 Buffalo nickel? Jerry Q. What do I win? A. Admiration and respect of your peers. |
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When does "misaligned die" become an indication of "doubled die"strike?
On May 3, 6:24 am, "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
wrote: I've been trying, without much success, to research this question. I have recently noticed several minor doublings that I first notice in doubled rim strikes; sometimes as many as 3 strikes for what appears to be on the face to be a doubled strike. Often the variation is rather minor. But I have seen it happen: one strike on the extreme outer rim of portion of the coin, another near the center portion of the rim, and a third cutting into the date or lettering on the inside of the coin. Is there a standard for when a misaligned die showing mostly on the coin rim becomes a positive indication of a doubled die strike? A "doubled die" is a die that has been hubbed twice by the same hub, the two hubbings being out of register with each other. Once a die is so doubled, every coin that is produced by that die will exhibit identical doubling. It has nothing to do with the conditions present at the moment of striking. The 1955 DD Lincoln cent is the primo example of this. Apparently the person doing the hubbing did not notice what he had done, or did not care, and in their haste to get the coins released, mint employees did not practice quality control. The defective coins had gotten mixed in with so many properly-made coins that the decision was made to just go ahead and release the whole batch. The twentieth century overdated coins - the 1918/17-D and 1943/2 nickels, the 1942/1 and 1942/1-D dimes, and the 1918/17-S quarters resulted from a similar process. The dies that produced these were twice hubbed as well, but with differently-dated hubs. The person who did the hubbing was careful to keep the hubs in as close register as possible, so that the only anomalies visible on the finished coins were in the date area. Some numismatists consider these "doubled" dies, while others insist they be called "twice-hubbed" dies. It may or may not be significant that every one of these overdated dies was made during wartime. Earlier overdated coins, e.g. the 1806/5 quarter and half dollars, were made by alteration of finished dies. The phenomenon that you are describing is not related to any of the above, but is entirely dependent upon the conditions at the moment of striking. The more dramatic the feature, the more interest there will be among error collectors. The Cherry Pickers Guide has an excellent treatise on doubled dies in the end material. James These are not overdates. They are doubled die Washington quarters. Sorry for not including that info, but hoped others may have noticed it before. Specifically 34, 36, 37, 41 DDO, 41 DDR, 42, 42D, 43 and 4SS. So far have been using photos of examples from PCGS as guides, but finding lots of other examples among my coins and those on Ebay. At least one of the quarters has a partial rim that extends through the base of the 1, slightly higher in the 9, and even higher at the 4 where it ends. Looked almost like a cud or die crack, except for the curve that extends into the rim itself. Looks a lot like an off-center die strike that has been struck again. Another question on the same subject as doubled die dates, though. I have just purchased an 1883 Shield Nickel. Not the 83/2, I think. It does have a nearly filled lower 8 in 83. The really odd thing is that it appears to have another 4-digit date rotated about 15 degrees from current center. Above the 1 of this faint date, and just the left of IN in the motto, is a faint D exactly where I would expect it. I know there are a lot of errors in the Shield Nickel series, but have not heard of this one. Daniel B. Wheeler |
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