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"mazorj" wrote in message ... "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: ... Damn! I would rate that as the motoring equivalent to finding a 1955-S doubled die cent in change. 1955-*S*??????? James the Gobsmacked My bad. Originally I wrote it as a 1909-S VDB, then typed over and deleted some characters to make it a more credible find - but forgot to lose the S. Nothing get past your eagle eyes, damn them. :-I I would hypothesize that the chances of finding a 1909-S VDB in pocket change are massively larger than finding a 55 Doubled Die, because they had 24X the mintage, and there are still a lot more surviving SVDBs, even if half the original mintage has somehow perished. James the Actuary Mmm... That goes to minted population, not circulating population. I daresay that except for the rare finds from raided/stolen caches, any circulating 1909 cent was snapped up into long-term storage by the time we got our high school diplomas. Although most 1955 DD cents probably have been grabbed off by knowledgeable collectors or are languishing in the maws of bulk copper penny hoarders, I would think that an errant 1955 DD has a much longer life expectancy out there in circulation than a 100-year-old specimen. An obviously old, brown 1909 is going to attract a lot of eyeballs and will quickly be pulled, even by non-collectors. A middling circulated 1955 strike, single or double, is not going to do that. I still see 1950s cents mixed into rolls and change, which is why I changed my post from the VDB to the DD. The last time I got a 1909 cent of any variety in circulation was way back when Sister Consommé was drilling the Holy Trinity into my noggin while visions of filled Whitman folders danced in my head. While it may be true that a 55DD has a much longer life expectancy in circulation than an SVDB, the fact remains that the only way one is going to find either is for, as you say, raided/stolen caches to enter circulation, and there have to be collectively at least ten SVDBs in those caches for every 55DD. The trick, of course, is to be that *first* pair of eyeballs in either case! I never had that good fortune, even back in nineteen mumbly nine when I was doing Luther's Small Catechism, while secretly lusting after the female members of the class. Oh, and I, too, lusted after filled Whitman folders. James the Doubly Deprived Okay, now I see the point where we parted ways in our thinking. I submit that a small but finite number of 1955 DDs have been continuously "in circulation" since 1955. By "in circulation" I mean that they haven't been permanently removed for keeping by a collector. Some will have been continuously in motion for routine purchases, some may have languished in vaults for awhile, some may have been closeted for 10 or 20 years in some non-numismatist's penny jar before they were reintroduced into the wild at face value; but my point is that they have evaded capture for permanent possession by a collector. Their numbers are extremely small - perhaps only a few dozen - but unless you want to assume that every penny now in circulation has been inspected by a collector and every 1955 DD has been culled by them, a few of them must still be out there in the wild. Except for the aforementioned minuscule number of raided specimens, you can't say that about a 1909-S VDB. Even the clerk who can't recognize a dollar coin when one is presented to him will intuitively know that "there must be something valuable about that really old brown penny" and likely will snatch it up even as he ignores the MS-58 1955 DD in the same till. Practically speaking, the difference in our conclusions is more conceptual than statistical. If the odds of finding a 1909-S VDB in your pocket change are 1.000000 in a gazillion, the odds of finding a 1955 DD may be something like 1.000001 in a gazillion. But... IMO those few undiscovered circulating 1955 DDs are still out there waiting to be discovered in situ by a vigilant collector. - mazorj the Hair-Splitter ....on my way to Situ............... Hmmm. I guess my stupid GPS needs updating........ |
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On 3/1/2010 5:04 PM, Mr. Jaggers wrote:
I don't think there are any RCCers left. Reid said it, I believe it, and that settles it. You should read Breen more carefully. It's not enough to merely spend four figures on having the book bound in gold and platinum. There's also the words! He clear states on page 167 that RCC consists primarily of a half dozen people chatting among themselves and believing that as a result of the sometimes furious (and sometimes sluggish) pace of the responses they elicit from one another the entire numismatic community is hanging on their every word when the reality is that he like many scores of others in the coin world stopped reading long ago, even before they were incarcerated. I believe this is just another Breen fabrication, but I believe that as with most (all?) Breen fabrications there's a hint of truth behind it. -- Consumer: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Connoisseur: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Counterfeit: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Reid Goldsborough wrote:
On 3/1/2010 5:04 PM, Mr. Jaggers wrote: I don't think there are any RCCers left. Reid said it, I believe it, and that settles it. You should read Breen more carefully. It's not enough to merely spend four figures on having the book bound in gold and platinum. There's also the words! He clear states on page 167 that RCC consists primarily of a half dozen people chatting among themselves and believing that as a result of the sometimes furious (and sometimes sluggish) pace of the responses they elicit from one another the entire numismatic community is hanging on their every word when the reality is that he like many scores of others in the coin world stopped reading long ago, even before they were incarcerated. I believe this is just another Breen fabrication, but I believe that as with most (all?) Breen fabrications there's a hint of truth behind it. Reid, you're such a card! James the Incredulous |
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In article , "mazorj" wrote:
wrote in message ... In article , "mazorj" wrote: wrote in message ... In article , "mazorj" wrote: wrote in message news .... in 1986 toyota dropped the celica-supra label and made the supra a sporty car. i have an 86 1/2, which has a dual overhead cam, fuel injected 6 banger, the good toyota 5 speed and great looking body. mine has all the options except turbo and everything works. even the rear defogger. it has 200 hp without the turbo, 230 with. it's a real kick in the ass to drive. it isn't a drag racer, it get power form 2000 rpm up. the late 70's were great cars too. after mid 90's, it became a vette clone with prices to match. now it's a really expensive exotic. mine has 200,000 miles and runs great. lucky me! Huh. The 78-79 "Celica Supra" was a sporty car. In fact, your description matches mine. In the early 1980s the Celica went to more of luxury sedan. Maybe they had split the "Supra" off from the Celica line by 1986. For me it was a very good compromise from the Detroit beasts. I guess I don't have to tell you to hang onto yours! - mazorj the Insanely Jealous add to the collectibility and easy to get parts, i love this particular vehicle. it saved my life and it makes me happy just to drive. shall i post pics in an auto group to flame your insanity's flames. then tell you what i paid? -someone the shameless. Post away, Jose! $1500. to be fair, i had to buy an ac charger kit for $35. it's passed all the smogs easily. that's the biggest thing to be cared for. Damn! I would rate that as the motoring equivalent to finding a 1955-S doubled die cent in change. to be fair, it needs some cosmetics. i should compound the paint and re-clear coat it. i have new paint to redo the plastic bumbers and pieces. those will happen when spring finally hits this month. it's may all time fave car. |
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In article , "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:
mazorj wrote: wrote in message ... In article , "mazorj" wrote: wrote in message ... In article , "mazorj" wrote: wrote in message news .... in 1986 toyota dropped the celica-supra label and made the supra a sporty car. i have an 86 1/2, which has a dual overhead cam, fuel injected 6 banger, the good toyota 5 speed and great looking body. mine has all the options except turbo and everything works. even the rear defogger. it has 200 hp without the turbo, 230 with. it's a real kick in the ass to drive. it isn't a drag racer, it get power form 2000 rpm up. the late 70's were great cars too. after mid 90's, it became a vette clone with prices to match. now it's a really expensive exotic. mine has 200,000 miles and runs great. lucky me! Huh. The 78-79 "Celica Supra" was a sporty car. In fact, your description matches mine. In the early 1980s the Celica went to more of luxury sedan. Maybe they had split the "Supra" off from the Celica line by 1986. For me it was a very good compromise from the Detroit beasts. I guess I don't have to tell you to hang onto yours! - mazorj the Insanely Jealous add to the collectibility and easy to get parts, i love this particular vehicle. it saved my life and it makes me happy just to drive. shall i post pics in an auto group to flame your insanity's flames. then tell you what i paid? -someone the shameless. Post away, Jose! $1500. to be fair, i had to buy an ac charger kit for $35. it's passed all the smogs easily. that's the biggest thing to be cared for. Damn! I would rate that as the motoring equivalent to finding a 1955-S doubled die cent in change. 1955-*S*??????? James the Gobsmacked it's in my error book. |
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In article , "mazorj" wrote:
"Bruce Remick" wrote in message news "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: ... Damn! I would rate that as the motoring equivalent to finding a 1955-S doubled die cent in change. 1955-*S*??????? James the Gobsmacked My bad. Originally I wrote it as a 1909-S VDB, then typed over and deleted some characters to make it a more credible find - but forgot to lose the S. Nothing get past your eagle eyes, damn them. :-I I would hypothesize that the chances of finding a 1909-S VDB in pocket change are massively larger than finding a 55 Doubled Die, because they had 24X the mintage, and there are still a lot more surviving SVDBs, even if half the original mintage has somehow perished. James the Actuary Mmm... That goes to minted population, not circulating population. I daresay that except for the rare finds from raided/stolen caches, any circulating 1909 cent was snapped up into long-term storage by the time we got our high school diplomas. Although most 1955 DD cents probably have been grabbed off by knowledgeable collectors or are languishing in the maws of bulk copper penny hoarders, I would think that an errant 1955 DD has a much longer life expectancy out there in circulation than a 100-year-old specimen. An obviously old, brown 1909 is going to attract a lot of eyeballs and will quickly be pulled, even by non-collectors. A middling circulated 1955 strike, single or double, is not going to do that. I still see 1950s cents mixed into rolls and change, which is why I changed my post from the VDB to the DD. The last time I got a 1909 cent of any variety in circulation was way back when Sister Consommé was drilling the Holy Trinity into my noggin while visions of filled Whitman folders danced in my head. While it may be true that a 55DD has a much longer life expectancy in circulation than an SVDB, the fact remains that the only way one is going to find either is for, as you say, raided/stolen caches to enter circulation, and there have to be collectively at least ten SVDBs in those caches for every 55DD. The trick, of course, is to be that *first* pair of eyeballs in either case! I never had that good fortune, even back in nineteen mumbly nine when I was doing Luther's Small Catechism, while secretly lusting after the female members of the class. Oh, and I, too, lusted after filled Whitman folders. James the Doubly Deprived C'mon guys. You've drifted away from the Toyota topic and started talking about coins. You're gonna be the cause of more RCC'ers leaving in here a huff. Or in a Chevy. Bruce finder of two 1955 DDO's in 1956. Damn, what were we thinking, James??? i have a 56 huff ragtop with chrome wheels. it has the small block pcgs holder with the puce label. |
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wrote in message ... In article , "mazorj" wrote: "Bruce Remick" wrote in message news "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: ... Damn! I would rate that as the motoring equivalent to finding a 1955-S doubled die cent in change. 1955-*S*??????? James the Gobsmacked My bad. Originally I wrote it as a 1909-S VDB, then typed over and deleted some characters to make it a more credible find - but forgot to lose the S. Nothing get past your eagle eyes, damn them. :-I I would hypothesize that the chances of finding a 1909-S VDB in pocket change are massively larger than finding a 55 Doubled Die, because they had 24X the mintage, and there are still a lot more surviving SVDBs, even if half the original mintage has somehow perished. James the Actuary Mmm... That goes to minted population, not circulating population. I daresay that except for the rare finds from raided/stolen caches, any circulating 1909 cent was snapped up into long-term storage by the time we got our high school diplomas. Although most 1955 DD cents probably have been grabbed off by knowledgeable collectors or are languishing in the maws of bulk copper penny hoarders, I would think that an errant 1955 DD has a much longer life expectancy out there in circulation than a 100-year-old specimen. An obviously old, brown 1909 is going to attract a lot of eyeballs and will quickly be pulled, even by non-collectors. A middling circulated 1955 strike, single or double, is not going to do that. I still see 1950s cents mixed into rolls and change, which is why I changed my post from the VDB to the DD. The last time I got a 1909 cent of any variety in circulation was way back when Sister Consommé was drilling the Holy Trinity into my noggin while visions of filled Whitman folders danced in my head. While it may be true that a 55DD has a much longer life expectancy in circulation than an SVDB, the fact remains that the only way one is going to find either is for, as you say, raided/stolen caches to enter circulation, and there have to be collectively at least ten SVDBs in those caches for every 55DD. The trick, of course, is to be that *first* pair of eyeballs in either case! I never had that good fortune, even back in nineteen mumbly nine when I was doing Luther's Small Catechism, while secretly lusting after the female members of the class. Oh, and I, too, lusted after filled Whitman folders. James the Doubly Deprived C'mon guys. You've drifted away from the Toyota topic and started talking about coins. You're gonna be the cause of more RCC'ers leaving in here a huff. Or in a Chevy. Bruce finder of two 1955 DDO's in 1956. Damn, what were we thinking, James??? i have a 56 huff ragtop with chrome wheels. it has the small block pcgs holder with the puce label. Are they factory chrome wheels? I suspect the 56-D huff offered them even though there's no proof. The 56 did come with proof. |
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In article , "Bruce Remick" wrote:
wrote in message ... In article , "mazorj" wrote: "Bruce Remick" wrote in message news "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: "Mr. Jaggers" lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote in message ... mazorj wrote: ... Damn! I would rate that as the motoring equivalent to finding a 1955-S doubled die cent in change. 1955-*S*??????? James the Gobsmacked My bad. Originally I wrote it as a 1909-S VDB, then typed over and deleted some characters to make it a more credible find - but forgot to lose the S. Nothing get past your eagle eyes, damn them. :-I I would hypothesize that the chances of finding a 1909-S VDB in pocket change are massively larger than finding a 55 Doubled Die, because they had 24X the mintage, and there are still a lot more surviving SVDBs, even if half the original mintage has somehow perished. James the Actuary Mmm... That goes to minted population, not circulating population. I daresay that except for the rare finds from raided/stolen caches, any circulating 1909 cent was snapped up into long-term storage by the time we got our high school diplomas. Although most 1955 DD cents probably have been grabbed off by knowledgeable collectors or are languishing in the maws of bulk copper penny hoarders, I would think that an errant 1955 DD has a much longer life expectancy out there in circulation than a 100-year-old specimen. An obviously old, brown 1909 is going to attract a lot of eyeballs and will quickly be pulled, even by non-collectors. A middling circulated 1955 strike, single or double, is not going to do that. I still see 1950s cents mixed into rolls and change, which is why I changed my post from the VDB to the DD. The last time I got a 1909 cent of any variety in circulation was way back when Sister Consommé was drilling the Holy Trinity into my noggin while visions of filled Whitman folders danced in my head. While it may be true that a 55DD has a much longer life expectancy in circulation than an SVDB, the fact remains that the only way one is going to find either is for, as you say, raided/stolen caches to enter circulation, and there have to be collectively at least ten SVDBs in those caches for every 55DD. The trick, of course, is to be that *first* pair of eyeballs in either case! I never had that good fortune, even back in nineteen mumbly nine when I was doing Luther's Small Catechism, while secretly lusting after the female members of the class. Oh, and I, too, lusted after filled Whitman folders. James the Doubly Deprived C'mon guys. You've drifted away from the Toyota topic and started talking about coins. You're gonna be the cause of more RCC'ers leaving in here a huff. Or in a Chevy. Bruce finder of two 1955 DDO's in 1956. Damn, what were we thinking, James??? i have a 56 huff ragtop with chrome wheels. it has the small block pcgs holder with the puce label. Are they factory chrome wheels? I suspect the 56-D huff offered them even though there's no proof. The 56 did come with proof. sadly, they are not oem but tpm. |
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