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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
I saw this earlier but I believe it to be a hoax. Check out google
news and you will see only two "news" sources have picked up the story and both from the website and email. I think this is just a made up publicity stunt. |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
stonej wrote: I saw this earlier but I believe it to be a hoax. Check out google news and you will see only two "news" sources have picked up the story and both from the website and email. I think this is just a made up publicity stunt. Possibility of a publicity stunt, however, as I met Von Nothaus at the ANA in Milwaukee, I received the following email. I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville. For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts. We have no money. We have no products. We have no records to even know what was ordered or what you are owed. We have nothing but the will to push forward and overcome this massive assault on our liberty and our right to have real money as defined by the US Constitution. We should not to be defrauded by the fake government money. But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken. This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too. The possibility of such action was the reason the Liberty Dollar was designed so that the vast majority of the money was in specie form and in the people's hands. Of the $20 million Liberty Dollars, only about a million is in paper or digital form. I regret that if you are due an order. It may be some time until it will be filled... if ever... it now all depends on our actions. Everyone who has an unfulfilled order or has digital or paper currency should band together for a class action suit and demand redemption. We cannot allow the government to steal our money! Please don't let this happen!!! Many of you read the articles quoting the government and Federal Reserve officials that the Liberty Dollar was legal. You did nothing wrong. You are legally entitled to your property. Let us use this terrible act to band together and further our goal - to return America to a value based currency. Please forward this important Alert... so everyone who possess or use the Liberty Dollar is aware of the situation. Please click HERE to sign up for the class action lawsuit and get your property back! If the above link does not work you can access the page by copying the following into your web browser. http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php Thanks again for your support at this darkest time as the damn government and their dollar sinks to a new low. Bernard von NotHaus Monetary Architect |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
On Nov 15, 1:00�pm, Jon_Roland quoted:
This in spite of the fact that Edmond C. Moy, the Director of the Mint, acknowledged in a letter to a US Senator that the paper certificates did not violate Section 486 and were not illegal. But the FBI and Services took all the paper currency too. Ummm....why would the Director of the MINT be commenting on the legality of paper currency? While he may have a personal opinion, he would have no authority in this matter. His boss, the Secretary of the Treasury, should be the one to comment after consulting with the Department of Justice. |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen
FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville. For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts. The story came out long before 2 PM which would be six hours from 8 AM. It does not add up. |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
Jon_Roland wrote:
In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life. What a load of BS. The wackos at Waco fired on the FBI & ATF that is how the mess started. I guess David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) wasn't Jesus after all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...vidkoresh.html But it is also clearly an act of war against the American people, and treason. It could also be a prelude to attacks on other dissenters, such as activists in the constitutional militia movement, aka as white supremacists, neo nazis and ignorant hillbillies. Ron Paul supporters, aka as simple minded people looking for simple solutions to complicated problems. and others. I advise alerting all your people to be ready for anything. In the meantime: Get out your BS waders. JAM Article 1 Section 8 of the US constitution The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; To borrow money on the credit of the United States; To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes; To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States; To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States; |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
stonej wrote:
I sincerely regret to inform you that about 8:00 this morning a dozen FBI and Secret Service agents raided the Liberty Dollar office in Evansville. For approximately six hours they took all the gold, all the silver, all the platinum and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars that where just delivered last Friday. They also took all the files, all the computers and froze our bank accounts. The story came out long before 2 PM which would be six hours from 8 AM. It does not add up. Well, if it was a publicity stunt it was done in terribly bad taste, and actionable on its own. However, if an actual raid and confiscation occurred, I don't know the laws covering such things, but it would seem to me to be an abomination. I was also looking forward to gaining one of those copper Ron Paul dollars this month. According to reports they seem to have taken the entire mintage of those. |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:12:51 -0500, Bill Dukenfield wrote:
Jon_Roland wrote: In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life. What a load of BS. The wackos at Waco fired on the FBI & ATF that is how the mess started. I guess David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) wasn't Jesus after all. The federal government had many opportunities to apprehend Koresh when he left the compound to go into town. Even the most rabid of apologists would have a hard time defending the government's actions in that whole clusterfark. (There, I edited the last word so as not to be chastized for offending sensitive readers). |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
Dave Hinz wrote:
On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:12:51 -0500, Bill Dukenfield wrote: Jon_Roland wrote: In many ways this event is comparable to the assault on the Davidians near Waco, although fortunately without the loss of life. What a load of BS. The wackos at Waco fired on the FBI & ATF that is how the mess started. I guess David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) wasn't Jesus after all. The federal government had many opportunities to apprehend Koresh when he left the compound to go into town. Even the most rabid of apologists would have a hard time defending the government's actions in that whole clusterfark. (There, I edited the last word so as not to be chastized for offending sensitive readers). Nothing to apologize for. Pull a gun on a copper, any copper, and see what happens to you. This is a fact of life even if you think you are Jesus. A bible thumping megalomaniac lead his weak-minded followers to their unnecessary deaths. David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) is responsible for these deaths and no one else. He was no better than Jim Jones or Osama Ben Laden. JAM |
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FBI Raids Liberty Dollar - Confiscates All Ron Paul Dollar
On Nov 15, 9:10 pm, Bill Dukenfield wrote:
A bible thumping megalomaniac lead his weak-minded followers to their unnecessary deaths. David Koresh (aka Vernon Wayne Howell) is responsible for these deaths and no one else. He was no better than Jim Jones or Osama Ben Laden. Bull****! The government ****ed up big time in Waco and only an idiot would defend their actions. |
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