The First Art Stamp Ever?

As an aside, this is the first time I have encountered the
most curious expression

"Queen Victoria shown in her widow's weeds"

when referring to this stamp.
| http://cjoint.com/data/lkupteO85g.htm

We apparently stole that part of the English language
from the Germans.

Rodney wrote:
As an aside, this is the first time I have encountered the
most curious expression

"Queen Victoria shown in her widow's weeds"

when referring to this stamp.
| http://cjoint.com/data/lkupteO85g.htm

We apparently stole that part of the English language
from the Germans.

Canada Scott Nos. 46 & 47 are commonly referred to as the "Widow's
Weeds" stamps (both still missing from my Canada MNH collection,
unfortunately). 20c vermilion and 50c deep blue (second row on my
display, the links to the individual stamps are about 7000 characters
long, I think):

http://www.collectionscanada.ca/arch...7030102_e.html

And an article on the widow's weeds themselves - Victoria wore hers
from the death of Prince Albert (her first cousin!) in 1861 to her own
death in 1901.

http://www.mourningmatters.com/mourn...s-article.html

And amazingly, this site lists her 997 direct descendants ....

http://www.btinternet.com/~allan_ray...Statistics.htm

It can be difficult to compile such stats when a guy is both a
great-grandchild and a great-great-grandchild at the same time, through
various intertwinings of the family tree. Kind of like the old Lonzo &
Oscar tune, "I'm My Own Grandpa."

Ryan

Thanks Ryan
I like that 60's tune that focuses on the lady who only marries "Henrys"
the tune had the title "I'm Henry the 8th, I am"

further on the "weeds"

"Weeds" meaning "mourning clothes," on the other hand, comes from a very old
Germanic root meaning "clothing," and when this "weed" first appeared in English
around A.D. 888, it was used in the singular to mean simply "an article of clothing."
By about 1297, "weed" or "weeds" meant a style of clothing typical of an occupation
or station in life. One might speak of a priest's "weed" or a beggar's "weeds," for
instance. The phrase "widow's weeds," denoting the black veils and other
accoutrements of deep mourning, first appeared around 1595, and is the only use of
"weeds" in this sense still commonly heard in English.



It can be difficult to compile such stats when a guy is both a
| great-grandchild and a great-great-grandchild at the same time, through
| various intertwinings of the family tree. Kind of like the old Lonzo &
| Oscar tune, "I'm My Own Grandpa."
|
| Ryan

Hi Sir Rodney,

thank You for the good information.

I asked the Berlin Museum of Art "Alte Nationalgalerie" for pictures of
these paintings and am still waiting for the answer.

Cordially

Gerhard

"Rodney" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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G'day Gerhard,
I agree, it is almost impossible to find anything
on Wilhelm Pape as a painter, on the net!

There is a brief reference to him here
http://www.muenster.de/~germania/info/info_en.html

The large format issues of 1, 2, 3, and 5 Mark, from
1920 also 1.25, 1.50, and 2.50 Mark were printed with
other designs; The Reichs Post Office in Berlin, An Allegory
'North and South' taken from the painting "Victoria" by A. von Werner,
the unvieling of the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial in Berlin.
The 5 Mark value shows part of the painting
"Commemoration of the Foundation of the Reich in the
White Hall of the Berliner Schloß from a painting by W. Pape.

Based on this thread, I conclude that the first Art Stamp is that mentioned
by Blair:

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/ap/s/s000031k_a1.jpg

BTW, the whole painting appeared in color, in 1988, on a miniature sheet
from New Zealand; see the bottom of my page (started 1997 - sorry for the
scans quality):

http://www.values.ch/history1.htm

--
Victor Manta

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Postal Administration: Canada
Title: Queen Victoria
Denomination: 12d
Date of Issue: 14 June 1851

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/ap/s/s000031k_a1.jpg

Based on a painting by Alfred Edward Chalon
Portrait engraved by Alfred Jones
Original Artwork: Alfred Edward Chalon,
"Queen Victoria", 1837

First definitive stamp showing portrait of a monarch
based on a painting.
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"Victor Manta" skrev i en meddelelse
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Based on this thread, I conclude that the first Art Stamp is that
mentioned by Blair:

http://data2.collectionscanada.ca/ap/s/s000031k_a1.jpg

BTW, the whole painting appeared in color, in 1988, on a miniature sheet
from New Zealand; see the bottom of my page (started 1997 - sorry for the
scans quality):

http://www.values.ch/history1.htm

It is a very nice sheet. Is it possible that you could redo the scan to a
larger size and a better quality?
Mette

There is an interesting story about Queen Victoria and Chalon.

Helmut and Alison Gernsheim, in their book "The History of
Photography, 1685-1914" (New York, St. Louis and San
Francisco: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1969), p. 118 relate:

"In the early days of daguerrotype portraiture, Queen Victoria
asked the fashionable miniature painter Alfred Chalon whether
he were not afraid that photography would ruin his profession,
'Ah, non, Madame', he replied in a mixture of French and English,
'photographie can't flatère'."

Originally published in "The Women at Home", London,
vol. VIII, 1897, p. 812.

Blair (TC) a écrit:
There is an interesting story about Queen Victoria and Chalon.

Helmut and Alison Gernsheim, in their book "The History of
Photography, 1685-1914" (New York, St. Louis and San
Francisco: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1969), p. 118 relate:

"In the early days of daguerrotype portraiture, Queen Victoria
asked the fashionable miniature painter Alfred Chalon whether
he were not afraid that photography would ruin his profession,
'Ah, non, Madame', he replied in a mixture of French and English,
'photographie can't flatère'."

Originally published in "The Women at Home", London,
vol. VIII, 1897, p. 812.

That was before Photoshop ;-)

By the way, flatère is not a french word
as far as I know (flater is a verb).

And photography is definitly considered as Art.

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Dominique Stéphan
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"Dominique Stéphan" wrote in message
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Blair (TC) a écrit:
There is an interesting story about Queen Victoria and Chalon.

Helmut and Alison Gernsheim, in their book "The History of
Photography, 1685-1914" (New York, St. Louis and San
Francisco: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1969), p. 118 relate:

"In the early days of daguerrotype portraiture, Queen Victoria
asked the fashionable miniature painter Alfred Chalon whether
he were not afraid that photography would ruin his profession,
'Ah, non, Madame', he replied in a mixture of French and English,
'photographie can't flatère'."

Originally published in "The Women at Home", London,
vol. VIII, 1897, p. 812.

That was before Photoshop ;-)

By the way, flatère is not a french word
as far as I know (flater is a verb).

And photography is definitly considered as Art.

Blair's source is:
http://aic.stanford.edu/jaic/article...-004_appx.html

The Chalon brothers, both artists, were Swiss painter of French descent,
born in Geneva. Chalon's family were French Protestants who, like so many,
had fled persecution in France. They did not remain in Switzerland for a
long time but went to England.
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/mag/pages/mnuIn...y.cfm?biog=229

Because French was his native language, there is no reason to think that
Alfred Chalon himself made such a fault ("flatère" instead of "flater").
Possibly he was incorrectly cited or he used an older form of the word (what
I doubt).

As for photography, it isn't considered as being art by all thinkers.
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Victor Manta

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As for photography, it isn't considered as being art by all thinkers.

Are *all* thinkers (philosophers) that categoric !?
I know who you are speaking about, and with whom I strongly disagree.
Could you name a few more, with references, please?

Mette