The First Art Stamp Ever?

Mette:

Just for my own curiousity....

Which of my picks would you define
as the first Canadian art stamp?

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Mette:

Just for my own curiousity....

Which of my picks would you define
as the first Canadian art stamp?

The Chalon painting of Queen Victoria.
Mette

Didier Cuidet wrote :

How about a swap ?

I propose the FOUR pretty stamps of 1961 in exchange with the THREE
ugly ones of 1917. Each of them MNH, of course.


;-)))
I never wrote the 1917 ones were ugly. I just prefer the 1961 (I should
have added "design").
BTW, the 1917 ones are still in my want list, even canceled.

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All the best,
Pierre Courtiade

amesh a écrit:
There is another way to see Art & Stamp, it's
to collect the actual art : original drawings
and also die proofs (when the dies are from the hand
of an engraver) are Art, not mere reproductions !


It's quite interesting to see how differently collectors perceive "art". I
think that the answer to the original question, quoted from Topical Time,
boils down to that there is no given answer, and that any collector should
make his own definition. Personally I can accept the French stamps with the
Ceres-head as "art", since they reproduce an artwork of the mythological
figure. And I can also accept art designs specially made for the stamp
format by a recognized artist. But engravings are not "art on stamps" to me,
but rather philatelic art, which is quite different :-)

Engraving (in general) is art. Stamp engraving is
"on order" art, but, well, a lot of art is "on order"
art, the Sixteen Vault (spelling ?) for instance !
Engraving art comes in the form of limited
print of original dies, so stamp proofs should
qualify.

The origin of the French Art Issues comes from
an artist (Cocteau I think) that asked the relevent
minister to make artistic stamps, but the minister
understood to make stamps about art, it is
quite different.

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Stamp collecting is endlessly intriguing,
when topics can fly off in tangents.

On reading William Finlay, "an illustrated history of stamp design"
he brings up the topic of Virgil Reilly's artwork, and suggests
he plagiarised the idea, from Fred Elliott's work on the 1900
Queensland "charity issue" of the Boer War.
http://cjoint.com/data/lkupteO85g.htm

(Just a FYI for any interested Australian student)


| A painting by Virgil Reilly shown on the front cover
| of Australia's favourite Womens magazine in 1939
| inspired Frank Manly for the 1940 Oz issues.
|
| The 3 servicemen shown in the painting, were killed during
| the war. The nurse is the artist's wife.
|
| All persons used in the stamp design survived the war.
|
| http://cjoint.com/data/ljxDYz30CL.htm
| apologies for poor example.
|
| Nice commemorative with an interesting story.
| Mette

G'day Gerhard,
.........................and, the paintings by Wilhelm Pape (3 and 5 marks) ?


| For Germany it could be 1900, Michel # 64, 2 Reichsmark, its a detail of the
| painting "North and South" by Anton von Werner (1843 - 1915).
|
| Best regards
|
| Gerhard
|

Portugal 1894 the extensive 13 value set featuring Prince Henry the Navigator
paintings by J.V.Salgado.

It seems to me, that "Art Stamps" are one with the advent of "Pictorialism"

"Postal administrations woke up to realise that there were people
who were actually prepared to purchase stamps, not for the purpose
of posting letters, but to treasure in an album"
....William Finlay.




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"amesh" wrote in message . ..
| Collectors of Art Stamps have often discussed which was the first art
| topical stamp to be issued. Some say that this collecting area began with
| the French art series in the early 1960's, while others believe that it may
| be the French stamp from 1849 depicting Ceres, and yet others that it was
| the British Penny Black.
|
| In the bi-monthly publication "Topical Time" published by American Topical
| Association, #334/2005, Column "Topical Postline", appears a letter to the
| editor
|
| "--- sent an inquiry to American Philatelic Research Library, asking for the
| design source of France #1. The response states, "An explanation of the
| design appears in James Mackay's book "An Illustrated History of Stamp
| Design". France introduced stamps in January 1849, but instead of using the
| portrait of a living person, [they] chose the profile of Ceres, goddess of
| agriculture, in a circular frame with a rectangular border (Scott #1). The
| head of Ceres was taken from ancient Greek coins, a logical source of
| inspiration since coins and stamps were analogous in many respects".
|
| " --- I am not sure whether this qualifies as being the earliest use of art
| on stamps; I think this depends upon how one defines fine arts. The portrait
| on the 1840 British Penny Black (Scott #1) was based on "The Guildhall Medal
| of 1838" showing Wyon's profile of Queen Victoria. Might this not be
| considered to be fine arts?"
|
| What do other (art stamp) collectors think?
| --
| Best regards
| Ann Mette Heindorff (Mette)
| http://arthistory.heindorffhus.dk
| ------
| Outgoing messages.checked with Norton AV
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|
|
|
|

Oh Sir Rodney,

blame on me, or blame on Michel catalogue, because only the painting of
Anton von Werner is mentioned :-). History of art is not my business, really
:-).

Also Google gives me no answer, who the hell Wilhelm Pape is. :-)

But I am always ready to learn, if You have an internet website for me, I
swear I will have a look at it :-)

best regards

Gerhard


"Rodney" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
...
G'day Gerhard,
........................and, the paintings by Wilhelm Pape (3 and 5 marks)
?


| For Germany it could be 1900, Michel # 64, 2 Reichsmark, its a detail of
the
| painting "North and South" by Anton von Werner (1843 - 1915).
|
| Best regards
|
| Gerhard
|

G'day Gerhard,
the stamps in question belong to the same group as to
which you referred. (Von Werner)
I call them for convenience the "Reichspost set"

I queried you beause my simplified Gibbons does not indicate
if all were issued concurrently.
The Wilhelm Pape paintings are shown on the 3m and 5m values
and show "Unveiling of Kaiser Wilhem1 memorial" and
"25th anniv of German Empire address".

These stamps remain beyond my budget

Greetings from sunny Perth.




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"Gerhard Reichert" wrote in message ...
| Oh Sir Rodney,
|
| blame on me, or blame on Michel catalogue, because only the painting of
| Anton von Werner is mentioned :-). History of art is not my business, really
| :-).
|
| Also Google gives me no answer, who the hell Wilhelm Pape is. :-)
|
| But I am always ready to learn, if You have an internet website for me, I
| swear I will have a look at it :-)
|
| best regards
|
| Gerhard
|
|
| "Rodney" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
| ...
| G'day Gerhard,
| ........................and, the paintings by Wilhelm Pape (3 and 5 marks)
| ?
|
|
| | For Germany it could be 1900, Michel # 64, 2 Reichsmark, its a detail of
| the
| | painting "North and South" by Anton von Werner (1843 - 1915).
| |
| | Best regards
| |
| | Gerhard
| |
|
|
|

G'day Gerhard,
I agree, it is almost impossible to find anything
on Wilhelm Pape as a painter, on the net!

There is a brief reference to him here
http://www.muenster.de/~germania/info/info_en.html

The large format issues of 1, 2, 3, and 5 Mark, from
1920 also 1.25, 1.50, and 2.50 Mark were printed with
other designs; The Reichs Post Office in Berlin, An Allegory
'North and South' taken from the painting "Victoria" by A. von Werner,
the unvieling of the Kaiser Wilhelm Memorial in Berlin.
The 5 Mark value shows part of the painting
"Commemoration of the Foundation of the Reich in the
White Hall of the Berliner Schloß from a painting by W. Pape.