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In Owl We Trust
In the current (October) issue of The Celator, there is a fantastic article on
the "international currency" of the ancient world, the Athena/Owl tetradrachm. Its author, Jamie Knapp, takes the reader on a virtual tour of the ancient lands that minted their own peculiar version of this coin, and in doing so, reveals its significance and impact on various civilizations. Helping to illustrate his point are more than two dozen photos of distinct "owls." What a treat! If you are considering a subscription to this monthly journal of ancient and medieval coinage, now is the time. You won't regret it. Anka Z ----- not working on commission |
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"Ankaaz" wrote in message ... In the current (October) issue of The Celator, there is a fantastic article on the "international currency" of the ancient world, the Athena/Owl tetradrachm. Its author, Jamie Knapp, takes the reader on a virtual tour of the ancient lands that minted their own peculiar version of this coin, and in doing so, reveals its significance and impact on various civilizations. Helping to illustrate his point are more than two dozen photos of distinct "owls." What a treat! If you are considering a subscription to this monthly journal of ancient and medieval coinage, now is the time. You won't regret it. Anka Z ----- not working on commission Thanks for the heads up, 'tis one of my faves. Dave --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.528 / Virus Database: 324 - Release Date: 10/16/03 |
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Reid Goldsborough kvetched:
"Jamie Knapp did a nice job of sharing what he has learned about these types of coins in his own collection, and though he didn't contribute any new numismatic knowledge about the subject..." Oy vey... and "One minor point: It's too much of a stretch to call the Owl the international currency of the ancient world." Uhhhh... That's why I put the phrase in quotes, Reid. Anka Z ---- wonders sometimes... |
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On 16 Oct 2003 21:44:34 GMT, (Ankaaz) wrote:
In the current (October) issue of The Celator, there is a fantastic article on the "international currency" of the ancient world, the Athena/Owl tetradrachm. If you get beyond your misdescribing these coins, these imitative issues are very interesting to explore, opening up new vistas into civilizations that preceded, and contributed to, ours. The most widely copied ancient coinage includes not only Athenian Owl tetradrachms and Alexander the Great/Philip III tetradrachms and drachms but also Philip II staters, tetradrachms, and drachms (prototypes of most Celtic coinage), Thasos tetradrachms, Claudius asses, Imperial denarii of various emperors (prototypes of limes denarii), Claudius Gothicus and similar antoniniani (prototypes of barbarous radiates), and Constantinian bronzes. Those doing the copying circled the classical world of the ancient Greeks and Romans and included the Celts, Germanics, Dacians, Thracians, Huns, Persians, Baktrians, Indians, Ceylonese, Arabians, Samarians, Judeans, and Egyptians. Of course, in a broad sense, most coins, including those today, are derivative of earlier ones. The common practice of using a person's head on the obverse (heads) and an animal (with a tail) or other symbol on the reverse (tails), for instance, derived from the coins minted by the ancient Greeks. But the term imitative coinage, as I'm using it and as others commonly use it, has a far narrower definition, meaning coins that closely copy contemporary or recent coins minted by others. -- Coin Collecting: Consumer Guide: http://rg.ancients.info/guide Glomming: Coin Connoisseurship: http://rg.ancients.info/glom Bogos: Counterfeit Coins: http://rg.ancients.info/bogos |
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Reid Goldsborough began:
On 16 Oct 2003 21:44:34 GMT, (Ankaaz) wrote: In the current (October) issue of The Celator, there is a fantastic article on the "international currency" of the ancient world, the Athena/Owl tetradrachm. If you get beyond your misdescribing these coins.....snip Why does Reid continue to insist that only he knows what a poster really meant as they typed? Why does Reid consistently do this when Ann and Michael post? Why did Reid respond to this post again....nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon or just a another feeble excuse to spread his manure? Why does only Reid's s--t not stink? ++++++++++ Phil DeMayo - always here for my fellow Stooge When bidding online always sit on your helmet Just say NO to counterfeits |
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Phil DeMayo wrote:
Reid Goldsborough began: On 16 Oct 2003 21:44:34 GMT, (Ankaaz) wrote: In the current (October) issue of The Celator, there is a fantastic article on the "international currency" of the ancient world, the Athena/Owl tetradrachm. If you get beyond your misdescribing these coins.....snip Why does Reid continue to insist that only he knows what a poster really meant as they typed? Why does Reid consistently do this when Ann and Michael post? Why did Reid respond to this post again....nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon or just a another feeble excuse to spread his manure? Why does only Reid's s--t not stink? This Periodic Posting is intended to warn newcomers and remind regulars of the true meanings behind the Orwellian New-Speak of the RCC Resident Troll, Reid Goldsborough. It is Reid's intention to use you as a plaything for his own amusement and as a source of information for paid publication without attribution or compensation. He accomplishes this through certain abuses and misuses of language which have become frequent enough to justify this Periodic Posting. Discuss=Gather. "I want to discuss the merits of the Lincoln Cent design." This seems like a simple enough statement, but when posted by Reid, it is untrue. The true meaning is "I am gathering opinions to be used in an article I am writing. Any well-written opinion, information you share about the Lincoln cent's history, contemporary accounts of the public response to that design, or points you make about the artistry of this coin will appear in print as having originated from me." Periodic Posting=Work in Progress From time to time Reid will post with the header "Periodic Posting" and maintain the fiction that it is 'information for newcomers'. In actuality, these are 'Works in Progress', where Reid wants you to act as his editor/fact-checker. Once a general consensus has been reached that all the glaring errors in his statement on a topic have been removed, Reid will post that piece to a website, where he offers it for publication. When a periodical does accept it for publication, not only will it disappear from the website, all the archived versions of it will be removed from Google. Reid will claim 'copyright protection' as the reason for removing the evidence of his pilfered prose. Replica=Counterfeit Reid will attempt to lure you into joining him in his admiration of the Bulgarian counterfeiter, Slavey Petrov. Praising his skill and artistry, Reid will encourage you to search out his works for sale on Ebay and elsewhere. Be warned, Petrov does not mark his 'replicas' as required by Federal law, their importation is illegal, and in acting as his shill, Reid is urging you to support a criminal enterprise. Collect=Steal In connection with that 'love of ancients', Reid will rail against the 'restrictive laws' of countries that want to protect their national art treasures. He advocates smuggling ancient coins out of their homelands, like Egypt and Turkey, citing the 'lack of conservation and appreciation' they will encounter. I suppose if you didn't wax and display your lawnmower, I'd be entitled to steal that, too? In any case, Reid's desire to have those treasures smuggled out is to own them himself, not out of any concern for their well-being. Be advised. Professional Journalist=Poor writer When challenged about his childish writing style, or many mis-statements of fact, Reid will retreat to the label of 'professional journalist'. If you can accept that as the reason for writing at a third-grade level, or failing to follow the law, or his ethical lapses in using your statements and corrections without compensation or attribution, then you will have no problem with that one. Intransigent=former victim In exchanges with others, the word 'intransigent' (which means 'uncompromising') will be applied by Reid in a pejorative sense to mean 'relentless and inflexible'. This is usually a very big clue that one of Reid's former victims is reminding him of one of his (many) previous errors. mindless arguing=you were right Caught in a falsehood or error, Reid will accuse the other poster of 'arguing mindlessly'. In addition to accusing that poster of missing the nuances of an issue, this is Reid's typical first step in a New-Speak admission that your facts are irrefutable. So he will simply be dismissive of your repeating the information. liar=you remember what I deleted Typically, Reid will not begin calling another poster a liar and demanding a cite until he has deleted his statements in question from Google's archive of Usenet postings. It then becomes only the 'group memory' that can protect us from a collective amnesia that Reid tries to sell as 'truth'. look it up=I had no citation Often, when asked to provide proof of a bald assertion, Reid will tell you to do your own reasearch or go look it up. This means he was speaking from his duodenum and did not actually check his facts before responding. If challenged on this, he will call you lazy or intellectually sloppy, but he still will not provide a cite. Because none exists. It is, in the opinion of many regular RCC readers, best that you not engage Reid and that his posts, however innocuous they may appear to be, are actually traps for re-hashings of old and wearisome conflicts. There are few numismatic topics remaining which Reid has not used as springboards for self-aggrandizing comments and flame wars of considerable length. The only consolation available to you should be swept into one of those 'Black Holes of Logic' is that most of us have visited that Alternate Universe at least once. |
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Reid Goldsborough wrote
This was indeed a very good article, a perfect Celator piece. Jamie Knapp did a nice job of sharing what he has learned about these types of coins in his own collection, and though he didn't contribute any new numismatic knowledge about the subject ... If he had you would denounce him for challenging the established wisdom of the books you read. You would excoriate him for creating a new paradigm. You would challenge him to debate you here. How does one "contribute new numismatic knowledge"? 1. Describe coins previously uncatalogued. (New digs, for instance, or simply unpublished examples.) 2. New explanations of previously unclear facts. (Who is the image of? When was it struck? Why? Etc.) 4. New facts about the forms and uses of money. (New discoveries, whether of the moneys themselves or of the ways they were used.) 5. New theories about the forms and uses of money to explain the newly discovered forms and uses or to integrate new knowledge with old or old with new. |
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