Man on trial for minting his own currency

Department of Justice Press Release

For Immediate Release
March 18, 2011 United States Attorney's Office
Western District of North Carolina
Contact: (704) 344-6222

Defendant Convicted of Minting His Own Currency


http://charlotte.fbi.gov/dojpressrel...1/ce031811.htm

This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

The paper warehouse notes are nice as well.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...PCGS66PPQ1.jpg
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...PCGS66PPQ2.jpg


"Frank Provasek" wrote in message
...
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

These notes are series 2003. And in 2003, the price of silver was below
$5.00 for most of the year.

http://www.kitco.com/scripts/hist_ch...hly_graphs.plx

So for a $1.00 FRN, you got title to a tenth of an ounce of silver worth
less than 50 cents. I wonder if he'd still redeem them today?


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Richard
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thinking we were at when we created them. (Albert Einstein)


"Little Ricky" wrote in message
...
The paper warehouse notes are nice as well.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...PCGS66PPQ1.jpg
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...PCGS66PPQ2.jpg


"Frank Provasek" wrote in message
...
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

On Mar 22, 11:42*am, "Richard L. Hall"
wrote:
These notes are series 2003. *And in 2003, the price of silver was below
$5.00 for most of the year.

http://www.kitco.com/scripts/hist_ch...hly_graphs.plx

So for a $1.00 FRN, you got title to a tenth of an ounce of silver worth
less than 50 cents. *I wonder if he'd still redeem them today?

--
Richard
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of
thinking we were at when we created them. (Albert Einstein)

"Little Ricky" wrote in message

...



The paper warehouse notes are nice as well.

http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...fed2003PCGS66P...
http://i575.photobucket.com/albums/s...fed2003PCGS66P...

"Frank Provasek" wrote in message
....
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...- Hide quoted text -

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Agreed. Exactly.

The Liberty Dollar scheme was nothing more than a small con,
attempting to sell the unwary cheap silver at a high price.

All the "political" and "envy" talk about the Fed and the banks was,
for the perp's part, the schtick and the spiel to take the mark's eye
off the fact that what they were being asked to do didn't make sense
financially.

It's entirely possible to hate the Federal Reserve and the "Too-Big-to-
Fail" Banks AND still pay the proper market price for silver.

oly

On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote:
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where
both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff
legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great
favor.

But, we know you can't. Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer.

oly

On Mar 20, 10:51*pm, oly wrote:
On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote:

This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where
both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff
legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great
favor.

But, we know you can't. *Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer.

oly

http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...cy-now-a-crime

The Liberty Dollar folks weren’t trying to do anything illegal, and in
fact kept the relevant authorities informed of what they were doing,
even asking them for legal opinions — Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for
the U.S. Treasury Department’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing, said
“There’s nothing illegal about this.” After the Treasury Department’s
legal team reviewed the currency, she reiterated “As long as it
doesn’t say ‘legal tender’ there’s nothing wrong with it.”


"It’s not counterfeit money,” according to Ron Legan, Special Agent in
Charge of the Seattle, Washington, Secret Service field office.
Amazingly, the Liberty Dollar folks find themselves charged under
statutes intended to prevent counterfeiting — though they never made
any claim that Liberty Dollars are government currency, and they do
not even slightly resemble U.S. coins or bills. Logan investigated and
concluded that the Liberty Dollars are well within the boundaries of
American monetary guidelines. “We determined there wasn’t a federal
currency violation,” he said. Apparently a rogue and politically-
motivated element in the Department of Justice disagrees.

On Mar 20, 11:29*pm, Frank Provasek wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:51*pm, oly wrote:





On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote:

This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where
both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff
legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great
favor.

But, we know you can't. *Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer.

oly

http://www.kevinalfredstrom.com/2009...cy-now-a-crime

The Liberty Dollar folks weren’t trying to do anything illegal, and in
fact kept the relevant authorities informed of what they were doing,
even asking them for legal opinions — Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for
the U.S. Treasury Department’s Bureau of Engraving and Printing, said
“There’s nothing illegal about this.” After the Treasury Department’s
legal team reviewed the currency, she reiterated “As long as it
doesn’t say ‘legal tender’ there’s nothing wrong with it.”

"It’s not counterfeit money,” according to Ron Legan, Special Agent in
Charge of the Seattle, Washington, Secret Service field office.
Amazingly, the Liberty Dollar folks find themselves charged under
statutes intended to prevent counterfeiting — though they never made
any claim that Liberty Dollars are government currency, and they do
not even slightly resemble U.S. coins or bills. Logan investigated and
concluded that the Liberty Dollars are well within the boundaries of
American monetary guidelines. “We determined there wasn’t a federal
currency violation,” he said. Apparently a rogue and politically-
motivated element in the Department of Justice disagrees.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

No, no, don't stand the issue on it's head with a lightweight throw-
away two-year old blog - you said the U.S Secret Service and the U.S.
Mint said twenty years ago that this Liberty Dollar stuff was
"legal". I don't want some blogger's mental masturbation second hand
from you. I want correspondence, interpretive letters/ guidances from
the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint.

Anybody can blog anything at anytime, correct or incorrect, and then a
quick 30 second search on a decent search engine can find it. But
you'll never find anything on this matter that binds the feds, because
it was never issued by them in the first place.

The other RCC denizens should go look at the "proof" that Frank
linked. Lightweight, facile piece, throw-away blog stuff. Good
picture of a late-issue Liberty Dollar, however.

Real letters and genuine correspondence from the Secret Service and
Mint on the validity of 'private currencies' (nice euphanaism)??? If
they existed, don't you think that one or more of Mr. Nothaus'
supporters, lawyers or somebody would have presented them in pre-trial
discovery???

Go find something that might have real legal standing, Frank; you're a
regular Fairy Mason.

oly

P.S. Again, there's nothing stopping you or anybody from minting
silver rounds if you want to. But don't put dollar signs on them or
you're asking for trouble.

You Americans think you are free and don't realise what is going on

Check here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=DE&hl=de&v=jl2JQfxnnHU

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oly wrote:

On Mar 20, 12:34*am, Frank Provasek wrote:
This was absolutely politically motivated. The Secret Service and the
Mint declared the Liberty dollar stuff legal 20 years ago, since it
was one of the MANY voluntary barter currencies in use, and the
designs were totally unlike any US coins, past or present. But once
the Liberty dollar people began to support Ron Paul, and started
talking about honest money, auditing the Federal Reserve, pulling out
the 1/2 million military troops we have in 150 foreign
countries...well, THAT has to be stopped...

If you could cite the correspondence or interpretive letter(s) where
both the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Mint "declared the stuff
legal" some 20 years ago, you could do Mr. Von Nohthaus a very great
favor.

But, we know you can't. Frank the Failed Armchair Lawyer.

The first NORFED Liberty paper currency was issued in 1998,
with the first metallic coins following a year later.

http://www.chiefacoins.com/Database/...ons/Norfed.htm

for some detailed background and images.

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