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I went to my local coin dealer again today. I bought a 1892 Barber Quarter
UNC, (MS 60-61) for $100. A really great coin. There is a spot on the face. He told me to "dip it". I replied, "I thought you weren't suppose to clean coins". He said it wasn't cleaning the coin; slabbers do it as a matter of course to remove varnish. This is a beautiful coin. I do not want to touch it. Has anyone heard of "dipping"? Comments? FWIW, I also bought a 1898 UNC Barber for $100. dennis |
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"Dennis G. Rears" wrote in message ... I went to my local coin dealer again today. I bought a 1892 Barber Quarter UNC, (MS 60-61) for $100. A really great coin. There is a spot on the face. He told me to "dip it". I replied, "I thought you weren't suppose to clean coins". He said it wasn't cleaning the coin; slabbers do it as a matter of course to remove varnish. This is a beautiful coin. I do not want to touch it. Has anyone heard of "dipping"? Comments? FWIW, I also bought a 1898 UNC Barber for $100. dennis The results of dipping are unpredictable. If they were otherwise, why then would the dealer not have done it himself and priced the now-pristine coin higher, because it then would look so much nicer? A comparable phrase exists in the used-car industry: "Those scratches will buff out." Believe either at your own peril. By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? James |
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"James Higby" happily wrote in jest:
By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? Hee hee! That's a good one, James! Larry 'Ira says there isn't one!' |
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Larry Louks wrote: "James Higby" happily wrote in jest: By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? Hee hee! That's a good one, James! Larry 'Ira says there isn't one!' Dipping. "Has anyone heard of dipping?" That's a good one. IMHO the majority (over half) of silver coins at any given coin show have been worked on. The question isn't whether or not this makes a historical collectible coin less desireable, it is a questions of how well the dipping was done. As for investment coins, well, caveat emptor. If you are talking "blast white" silver coins over 120 years old, the majority (over half) have been dipped at one time or another. Silver is a reactive metal, and its alloy, copper, even more so. The big questions about dipping are (1) if the mint lustre is already gone, nothing you can do will restore it. NOTHING! So don't get out the dip unless you are sure that there is something underneath the darkness (2) ditto for wear - if the wear is evident, dipping CANNOT bring anything back AND it MIGHT uncover defects that were being hidden by the previous toning, so don't expect dipping to do something it can't, and (3) always remember that the evidence of dipping on a coin is cumulative, so a coin can only be dipped a few times before it shouldn't be done again. Dips should be done as quickly as possible and you should have the water in the sink running before you dip the coin - rinse ASAP! The coin hobby is very schizo about dipping, and as for other forms of cleaning, most are even more abrasive and SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Working on encrusted ancient coins is an art itself and is best left for another post. oly |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:45:29 -0600, James Higby wrote:
"Dennis G. Rears" wrote in message ... I went to my local coin dealer again today. I bought a 1892 Barber Quarter UNC, (MS 60-61) for $100. A really great coin. There is a spot on the face. He told me to "dip it". I replied, "I thought you weren't suppose to clean coins". He said it wasn't cleaning the coin; slabbers do it as a matter of course to remove varnish. This is a beautiful coin. I do not want to touch it. Has anyone heard of "dipping"? Comments? FWIW, I also bought a 1898 UNC Barber for $100. dennis The results of dipping are unpredictable. If they were otherwise, why then would the dealer not have done it himself and priced the now-pristine coin higher, because it then would look so much nicer? A comparable phrase exists in the used-car industry: "Those scratches will buff out." Believe either at your own peril. By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? James Considering any dealer I know of would be glad to BUY it for 130.00, 150 is greysheet, I find the entire thing, "odd". I love the scratches line too. It said it all. "It's just hard to start when the car has been sitting around so long, it will run fine for you." -- dw |
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"oly" wrote in message oups.com... Larry Louks wrote: "James Higby" happily wrote in jest: By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? Hee hee! That's a good one, James! Larry 'Ira says there isn't one!' Dipping. "Has anyone heard of dipping?" That's a good one. IMHO the majority (over half) of silver coins at any given coin show have been worked on. The question isn't whether or not this makes a historical collectible coin less desireable, it is a questions of how well the dipping was done. As for investment coins, well, caveat emptor. If you are talking "blast white" silver coins over 120 years old, the majority (over half) have been dipped at one time or another. Silver is a reactive metal, and its alloy, copper, even more so. The big questions about dipping are (1) if the mint lustre is already gone, nothing you can do will restore it. NOTHING! So don't get out the dip unless you are sure that there is something underneath the darkness (2) ditto for wear - if the wear is evident, dipping CANNOT bring anything back AND it MIGHT uncover defects that were being hidden by the previous toning, so don't expect dipping to do something it can't, and (3) always remember that the evidence of dipping on a coin is cumulative, so a coin can only be dipped a few times before it shouldn't be done again. Dips should be done as quickly as possible and you should have the water in the sink running before you dip the coin - rinse ASAP! The coin hobby is very schizo about dipping, and as for other forms of cleaning, most are even more abrasive and SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Working on encrusted ancient coins is an art itself and is best left for another post. oly There was someone here a while back who said you could 'restore' lustre on a coin by using some soapy water and tapping the coin about a million times with a soft, worn out toothbrush--sounds like BS to me. It wouldn't leave radially outwards flow lines but instead would leave unatural looking hairlines all over. One way to hide some ugly spots or hairlines is to rub your nose and then rub that skin oil onto a coin. It works great on a polished up coin--makes it look like there's some natural lustre. It's like you are faking some flow lines and after a long time it'll get some natural tone that only human skin oils leaves on coins. Not any good for an uncirculated coin though and you have to rub it 'just so' to make it look natural. |
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"bri" wrote in message ink.net... "oly" wrote in message oups.com... Larry Louks wrote: "James Higby" happily wrote in jest: By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? Hee hee! That's a good one, James! Larry 'Ira says there isn't one!' Dipping. "Has anyone heard of dipping?" That's a good one. IMHO the majority (over half) of silver coins at any given coin show have been worked on. The question isn't whether or not this makes a historical collectible coin less desireable, it is a questions of how well the dipping was done. As for investment coins, well, caveat emptor. If you are talking "blast white" silver coins over 120 years old, the majority (over half) have been dipped at one time or another. Silver is a reactive metal, and its alloy, copper, even more so. The big questions about dipping are (1) if the mint lustre is already gone, nothing you can do will restore it. NOTHING! So don't get out the dip unless you are sure that there is something underneath the darkness (2) ditto for wear - if the wear is evident, dipping CANNOT bring anything back AND it MIGHT uncover defects that were being hidden by the previous toning, so don't expect dipping to do something it can't, and (3) always remember that the evidence of dipping on a coin is cumulative, so a coin can only be dipped a few times before it shouldn't be done again. Dips should be done as quickly as possible and you should have the water in the sink running before you dip the coin - rinse ASAP! The coin hobby is very schizo about dipping, and as for other forms of cleaning, most are even more abrasive and SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Working on encrusted ancient coins is an art itself and is best left for another post. oly There was someone here a while back who said you could 'restore' lustre on a coin by using some soapy water and tapping the coin about a million times with a soft, worn out toothbrush--sounds like BS to me. It wouldn't leave radially outwards flow lines but instead would leave unatural looking hairlines all over. One way to hide some ugly spots or hairlines is to rub your nose and then rub that skin oil onto a coin. It works great on a polished up coin--makes it look like there's some natural lustre. It's like you are faking some flow lines and after a long time it'll get some natural tone that only human skin oils leaves on coins. Not any good for an uncirculated coin though and you have to rub it 'just so' to make it look natural. Bleaaaaaah! James |
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"bri" wrote in message ink.net... One way to hide some ugly spots or hairlines is to rub your nose and then rub that skin oil onto a coin. It works great on a polished up coin--makes it look like there's some natural lustre. It's like you are faking some flow lines and after a long time it'll get some natural tone that only human skin oils leaves on coins. Not any good for an uncirculated coin though and you have to rub it 'just so' to make it look natural. I use nose oil to polish out scratches on the used cars I sell. LOL!! JK! Jonathan_ATC |
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"Jonathan_ATC" wrote in message ink.net... "bri" wrote in message ink.net... One way to hide some ugly spots or hairlines is to rub your nose and then rub that skin oil onto a coin. It works great on a polished up coin--makes it look like there's some natural lustre. It's like you are faking some flow lines and after a long time it'll get some natural tone that only human skin oils leaves on coins. Not any good for an uncirculated coin though and you have to rub it 'just so' to make it look natural. I use nose oil to polish out scratches on the used cars I sell. LOL!! JK! Jonathan_ATC Yeah it sounds funky but supposedly it's a tried and true very old trick. Can't remember where I read that one--I tried it on an eraser-ized Ike dollar years ago and it did make it look a lot better but I could still tell it had been polished up. I'll have to look and see what it looks like now--it's buried somewhere around here. |
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"bri" wrote in message ink.net... "oly" wrote in message oups.com... Larry Louks wrote: "James Higby" happily wrote in jest: By the way, Coin World's Coin Values lists MS-60 (basal uncirculated) Barber Quarters at $225. Is the dealer's name Claus by any chance? Hee hee! That's a good one, James! Larry 'Ira says there isn't one!' Dipping. "Has anyone heard of dipping?" That's a good one. IMHO the majority (over half) of silver coins at any given coin show have been worked on. The question isn't whether or not this makes a historical collectible coin less desireable, it is a questions of how well the dipping was done. As for investment coins, well, caveat emptor. If you are talking "blast white" silver coins over 120 years old, the majority (over half) have been dipped at one time or another. Silver is a reactive metal, and its alloy, copper, even more so. The big questions about dipping are (1) if the mint lustre is already gone, nothing you can do will restore it. NOTHING! So don't get out the dip unless you are sure that there is something underneath the darkness (2) ditto for wear - if the wear is evident, dipping CANNOT bring anything back AND it MIGHT uncover defects that were being hidden by the previous toning, so don't expect dipping to do something it can't, and (3) always remember that the evidence of dipping on a coin is cumulative, so a coin can only be dipped a few times before it shouldn't be done again. Dips should be done as quickly as possible and you should have the water in the sink running before you dip the coin - rinse ASAP! The coin hobby is very schizo about dipping, and as for other forms of cleaning, most are even more abrasive and SHOULD NOT BE DONE. Working on encrusted ancient coins is an art itself and is best left for another post. oly There was someone here a while back who said you could 'restore' lustre on a coin by using some soapy water and tapping the coin about a million times with a soft, worn out toothbrush--sounds like BS to me. It wouldn't leave radially outwards flow lines but instead would leave unatural looking hairlines all over. One way to hide some ugly spots or hairlines is to rub your nose and then rub that skin oil onto a coin. It works great on a polished up coin--makes it look like there's some natural lustre. It's like you are faking some flow lines and after a long time it'll get some natural tone that only human skin oils leaves on coins. Not any good for an uncirculated coin though and you have to rub it 'just so' to make it look natural. The skin oil trick is called "thumbing" in the introduction to the ANA grading standards book. TerryS |
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