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Old November 16th 04, 10:23 PM
MIKZCARDZ
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AGREED !!! But Comic Images still has a early 90's formula going...sort-of...

I'm also crossing my fingers for the best ever turnout at the Spring '05 PHILLY
show -- and I hope we get a chance to talk in person. I'm clearing my personal
schedule to be there.

Mike Surratt
www.mikzcardz.com


Subject: Crowne plaza show
From: "Lynne Stewart"
Date: 11/16/04 4:02 PM Eastern Standard Time
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It becomes diffucult, I think, to put the geine back into the bottle .The
days of 6 card insert sets at a 1:12 ratio are gone. Good or bad is a moot
point.
I'd rather figure out a way to take what we have now, in the current format
of production and Ebay and yet still find a way to generate off-line buzz
and let's figure it out quick cause I'm coming to Philly in the spirng and I
wanna see it ROCK

Lynne

"MIKZCARDZ" wrote in message
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Hi Lynne -- I'm flame proof lately ::smile::

Yes, I agree that Skybox over-ran the market in regards to Star Trek.
Let's
face it though, it was much more affordable to buy a box or two and to
complete
a set of cards, minus the HTF holos. Skybox also over produced those TNG
sets
and they fell dramatically in price in a short time.

I'm not blaming all the decline of the hobby on manufacturers...

But, let's take a set like Marvel Masterpieces '92 -- Tin cards, 5 Foil
Inserts
and a 100-card set. You could make money selling this set (still can) and
trying to complete the promo set was very difficult and FUN!

I miss those sets from the 90's...

Mike Surratt


Subject: Crowne plaza show
From: "Lynne Stewart"

Date: 11/16/04 2:54 PM Eastern Standard Time
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Bear in mind, I'm discussing, not flaming
But, wow, I can't say I agree with this. Or at least I'd have to ask how
one
can say on one hand to reduce production and then say one wants to go back
to early 1990's prodction, I mean....wow, in Trekland anyway, that was the
era of MASSIVe over production. Sets and Skymotions got what they got
back
then cause people broke by the packs, not the multi-cases and one might
only
find one or two items like that in a whole region, let alone 25 of 'em on
Ebay in any given day. Production isn't fully the issue, lack of
competition
was then. Only a few dealers broke in bulk and they were at shows able to
charge quite a bit.
Only a very few now are at the mercy of the dealer behind the glass who
can
get away with charging whatever he wants and you GOTTA buy it cause you
really want that card. A collector can now chose between many dealers and
that has made prices competetive. On the other hand, the dealer might get
a
chance to generate a larger client base then what he can generate locally
with less overhead...
SkyBox produced runs of 16,000 for TOS One and cards limited to 500
generate
(and still do) sales of $500. The Enterprise series I II and III with
print
runs of 8,000 (approx) generates limited autos (300-500) and in many
cases,
a seller can get about $50 for them. Something has changed, and I don't
think it lays fully at feet of production numbers.
Lynne

I really would like to return to the early 1990's days of card
production.

Remember when a "skymotion" card (1:720 packs) was a great find for
$100.00???
And you could see sets sell for $20 a piece? Trade values go up and when
I
could get a NSU valued $25 set for $15, I was a happy collector! Show me
a
new
base set that generates $25.00 anywhere?

You can't blame anyone for low prices on cards except the manufacturers
who
flood the market. I also have to say that NonSport Update card prices
for
new
basic base sets are way off the mark. If I could not get so many base
sets
in a
case, I would not list them for $2.49 on eBay.

Mike Surratt
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Old November 17th 04, 01:08 AM
Jon Doyle
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Show me a new base set that generates $25.00 anywhere?


Samurai Jack.


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Old November 17th 04, 01:54 AM
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I'm also crossing my fingers for the best ever turnout at the Spring '05
PHILLY
show --



Philly is always a good show, even if sales and attendance are low - why? the
real collectors turn out, not just the commodity traders (unlike many sports
card shows) and there is always something odd to buy. Plus where else do you
get to see Paul Hart wandering around buying all types of wierd S+++ to resell
in the UK


Dave Grimes
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Old November 18th 04, 04:49 PM
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We were set up at the Secaucus NJ Show at the Crowne Plaza.

We had a great time...lots of fun, lots of comraderie...lots of wheeling
and dealing.
Lots to see at manufacturers tables and dealers tables alike. Very well
run...

Of course I agree the attendance was low, and all of us would have
preferred otherwise. But some collectors and dealers did drive or fly
very long distances to show up there. Even in the horrible weather on
Friday (rain or snow depending on where you were driving from).

It is a new show, this is it's 2nd year..and needs time to establish
itself in the world of the nonsport collector as a 'have to be there'
kinda place. It deserves to be seen that way..and the promotion team is
working very hard, and succeeding, in running a very collector and
dealer friendly two-day show.

And I do think it's a bit unfair to compare it to the Philly NonSport
Show, attendance-wise, at this point..as that show has been running for
over 20 years!

Collectors who attended had a great time.
If you don't believe me, head over to the Nonsport Update Talk Board
Forum and read the posts there from folks who did.

Or, take a look for yourself at the 6 pages of pictures that have been
posted if you want to know some of the goings on, and the product that
was availabe:
http://nonsportupdate.infopop.cc/eve...851034 47&p=1

Byrna
B&B Grrrl AF & Cards

  #15  
Old November 18th 04, 06:54 PM
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It odd for me to say this, but I agree with Byrna. Lots of trading and
wheeling and dealing. You really had to earn your money at this show.

I had a good time came home with more money than I started with and a lot more
product thanks to Mike and Tommy. This is a buyers market right now and if you
can buy for the right price you can make some money and keep your customers
happy. I acutally sold a Stargate movie set at the show. The guy told me I
was the only one that had it and was happy to pay $5 for it.

E-bay is still the big problem in the industry. Dealers have to stop starting
auctions below $10 for a card that is 1 per case. It makes the card look more
common than it is.

I keep hearing from people that they can't find stuff they want at shows. One
customer came up to me and was looking for a charmed card. I had it for $10
and showed her that it went for more in NSU. I even sent her over to another
dealer that had it for $25 to show her that it was a good deal. You would
think she would buy it. She never forked out the money. Some days I feel like
ripping the cards in half and offering them a 50% discount.

Dave
  #16  
Old November 19th 04, 03:36 AM
Dee Robinson
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Byrna, Dave and a few others, thanks for you all your support. I too
was very disappointed in the attendance for the show. We used even
more media outlets (newspapers, magazines,cable TV collecting show,
Village Voice Banners, direct mail and email, more flyers
everywhere...) to try and pull in the buying customers. We do endeavor
to make the show not only fun and comfortable for the dealers but also
profitable. Over the coming cold months my team and I will be back at
the drawing board to figure out how to beat this show attendance slump
and prove to the customers it can be an enjoyable experience to buy in
person, talk to dealers, intermingle with other collectors etc......
Dee of DLM




(B and B) wrote in message ...
We were set up at the Secaucus NJ Show at the Crowne Plaza.

We had a great time...lots of fun, lots of comraderie...lots of wheeling
and dealing.
Lots to see at manufacturers tables and dealers tables alike. Very well
run...

Of course I agree the attendance was low, and all of us would have
preferred otherwise. But some collectors and dealers did drive or fly
very long distances to show up there. Even in the horrible weather on
Friday (rain or snow depending on where you were driving from).

It is a new show, this is it's 2nd year..and needs time to establish
itself in the world of the nonsport collector as a 'have to be there'
kinda place. It deserves to be seen that way..and the promotion team is
working very hard, and succeeding, in running a very collector and
dealer friendly two-day show.

And I do think it's a bit unfair to compare it to the Philly NonSport
Show, attendance-wise, at this point..as that show has been running for
over 20 years!

Collectors who attended had a great time.
If you don't believe me, head over to the Nonsport Update Talk Board
Forum and read the posts there from folks who did.

Or, take a look for yourself at the 6 pages of pictures that have been
posted if you want to know some of the goings on, and the product that
was availabe:
http://nonsportupdate.infopop.cc/eve...851034 47&p=1

Byrna
B&B Grrrl AF & Cards

  #17  
Old November 19th 04, 07:35 PM
Lynne Stewart
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Put me on a mailing list or whatever you have, so I can stay current and
email my clients about your show!
Lynne

"Dee Robinson" wrote in message
om...
Byrna, Dave and a few others, thanks for you all your support. I too
was very disappointed in the attendance for the show. We used even
more media outlets (newspapers, magazines,cable TV collecting show,
Village Voice Banners, direct mail and email, more flyers
everywhere...) to try and pull in the buying customers. We do endeavor
to make the show not only fun and comfortable for the dealers but also
profitable. Over the coming cold months my team and I will be back at
the drawing board to figure out how to beat this show attendance slump
and prove to the customers it can be an enjoyable experience to buy in
person, talk to dealers, intermingle with other collectors etc......
Dee of DLM




(B and B) wrote in message
...
We were set up at the Secaucus NJ Show at the Crowne Plaza.

We had a great time...lots of fun, lots of comraderie...lots of wheeling
and dealing.
Lots to see at manufacturers tables and dealers tables alike. Very well
run...

Of course I agree the attendance was low, and all of us would have
preferred otherwise. But some collectors and dealers did drive or fly
very long distances to show up there. Even in the horrible weather on
Friday (rain or snow depending on where you were driving from).

It is a new show, this is it's 2nd year..and needs time to establish
itself in the world of the nonsport collector as a 'have to be there'
kinda place. It deserves to be seen that way..and the promotion team is
working very hard, and succeeding, in running a very collector and
dealer friendly two-day show.

And I do think it's a bit unfair to compare it to the Philly NonSport
Show, attendance-wise, at this point..as that show has been running for
over 20 years!

Collectors who attended had a great time.
If you don't believe me, head over to the Nonsport Update Talk Board
Forum and read the posts there from folks who did.

Or, take a look for yourself at the 6 pages of pictures that have been
posted if you want to know some of the goings on, and the product that
was availabe:
http://nonsportupdate.infopop.cc/eve...851034 47&p=1

Byrna
B&B Grrrl AF & Cards



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Old November 20th 04, 12:40 AM
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Yah know, I haven't attended a show as a collector since 1996 and as a
dealer since 1997, so I ahve no right to voice thoughts on this topic, but
having said THAT, I'll talk anyway.
I admire those folks who do all of what you mentined below and more, it's an
amazingly tough way to stay involved in the hobby. My hats off to you and
the promoters.
It's been obvious for many years that there are advantages to the Internet.
MAny of the new generation of card collectors haven't ever done anything BUT
use the Internet and Ebay and it seems like only the *old crowd* clings to
the shows.
Good or bad? Good, I think. There is something to be said for getting off
own's duff and getting out to shows.
So, what do people think might work to get people into shows? Keeping costs
in mind, of course.
Lynne

Lynne,

Being convenient? There is nothing in LV. At least nothing that would carry
cards I am interested in.

I might be too hardcore to find any cards I want at any show, unless it is a
new set that just came out.

The only show I go to is San Diego Comic Con. It isn't close (6 hour drive
from here), but at least there is plenty to do, tons of cards, comics,
freebies, previews of movies coming out in the next year, major stars and
signers.

of course it took them what? 30 years to get to this point. They are huge,
50,000 people a day. nearly 300,000 sq ft.

If there was a nice small show in LV, I would support it even if they have
nothing I want.

David
  #19  
Old November 21st 04, 02:40 AM
Dee Robinson
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Would be my pleasure to put you on the contact lists.
Thanks, Dee


"Lynne Stewart" wrote in message ...
Put me on a mailing list or whatever you have, so I can stay current and
email my clients about your show!
Lynne

"Dee Robinson" wrote in message
om...
Byrna, Dave and a few others, thanks for you all your support. I too
was very disappointed in the attendance for the show. We used even
more media outlets (newspapers, magazines,cable TV collecting show,
Village Voice Banners, direct mail and email, more flyers
everywhere...) to try and pull in the buying customers. We do endeavor
to make the show not only fun and comfortable for the dealers but also
profitable. Over the coming cold months my team and I will be back at
the drawing board to figure out how to beat this show attendance slump
and prove to the customers it can be an enjoyable experience to buy in
person, talk to dealers, intermingle with other collectors etc......
Dee of DLM




(B and B) wrote in message
...
We were set up at the Secaucus NJ Show at the Crowne Plaza.

We had a great time...lots of fun, lots of comraderie...lots of wheeling
and dealing.
Lots to see at manufacturers tables and dealers tables alike. Very well
run...

Of course I agree the attendance was low, and all of us would have
preferred otherwise. But some collectors and dealers did drive or fly
very long distances to show up there. Even in the horrible weather on
Friday (rain or snow depending on where you were driving from).

It is a new show, this is it's 2nd year..and needs time to establish
itself in the world of the nonsport collector as a 'have to be there'
kinda place. It deserves to be seen that way..and the promotion team is
working very hard, and succeeding, in running a very collector and
dealer friendly two-day show.

And I do think it's a bit unfair to compare it to the Philly NonSport
Show, attendance-wise, at this point..as that show has been running for
over 20 years!

Collectors who attended had a great time.
If you don't believe me, head over to the Nonsport Update Talk Board
Forum and read the posts there from folks who did.

Or, take a look for yourself at the 6 pages of pictures that have been
posted if you want to know some of the goings on, and the product that
was availabe:
http://nonsportupdate.infopop.cc/eve...851034 47&p=1

Byrna
B&B Grrrl AF & Cards

  #20  
Old November 22nd 04, 08:06 AM
BH
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Being convenient? There is nothing in LV. At least nothing that would carry
cards I am interested in.

I might be too hardcore to find any cards I want at any show, unless it is a
new set that just came out.

The only show I go to is San Diego Comic Con. It isn't close (6 hour drive
from here), but at least there is plenty to do, tons of cards, comics,
freebies, previews of movies coming out in the next year, major stars and
signers.

of course it took them what? 30 years to get to this point. They are huge,
50,000 people a day. nearly 300,000 sq ft.

If there was a nice small show in LV, I would support it even if they have
nothing I want.

David


Yes I agree with you David. If there were some small shows in my
area of Southern California I would definately support them. For I have
nothing out here but Comicon once a year.

Barry

 




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