Mass scanning of stamps question

"Jan Doggen" wrote in message
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"Victor Manta" schreef in bericht
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As I see it, the problem with this software is not only that it is much
too expensive but also that the result (Figure 5. Image after deskewing)
still needs some rotation from hand.

Wouldn't it be better, regardless of the software used, to try to put the
stamps next to each other in a black page with transparant 'strips' (don't
know the proper English word for those). Then they are always perfectly
upright *and* they don't stick to the scanner lid (static), shift,
overlap, or are blown away when you open the lid ;-).
The only thing is that you might see the transparent strips, but for
auctions that would be acceptable IMO.

My 0,02

Bye
Jan

I suppose that seing the strip on stamps for auctions shoulnd't be a problem
but for my web pages it isn't, unfortunately, an acceptable solution.

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"Rod" wrote in message
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If there is something that still has to be rotated then it is not of much
help if it was already improved.

Agreed.

As for automatic separation, this feature
is useful but not difficult to do it by hand.

The Epson "perfection 1670" allows multiple passes
and I do 30 stamps at one button press, (each stamp
requires the operator to surround it with a suitable sized marquee)

All rather useless until they marry that with auto "deskew" IMHO
which the Epson lacks.

I leave enough space on the scanner window between the stamps, scan all of
them, and then I rotate each of stamps in place (and sometimes all of them
too, if there is a general direction). Then I cut out each rotated stamp
from the general image, make adjustments and save each in the desired
resolution. Very often I can make the adjustments for all stamps at once,
after having rotated them in place, and then I cut them out.

I would pay $50 for a program that correctly rotates the stamps, separate
them and then let me import all images at ones into Photoshop et Co.

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Victor Manta a écrit:
"Jan Doggen" wrote in message
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"Victor Manta" schreef in bericht
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As I see it, the problem with this software is not only that it is much
too expensive but also that the result (Figure 5. Image after deskewing)
still needs some rotation from hand.
Wouldn't it be better, regardless of the software used, to try to put the
stamps next to each other in a black page with transparant 'strips' (don't
know the proper English word for those). Then they are always perfectly
upright *and* they don't stick to the scanner lid (static), shift,
overlap, or are blown away when you open the lid ;-).
The only thing is that you might see the transparent strips, but for
auctions that would be acceptable IMO.

My 0,02

Bye
Jan

I suppose that seing the strip on stamps for auctions shoulnd't be a problem
but for my web pages it isn't, unfortunately, an acceptable solution.

It is indeed not acceptable. We need black background and
not strips. The solution is to use some furniture where
strips recover the whole stamp/document.

For instance, Lindner Omnia pages
http://www.lindner-usa.com/catalog/m...urpose/52.html

Even so, I usually need to make some rotation
adjustments.

EzImage looks good, but the price makes it
a professional tool :-(

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That is what I did in the dim dark days Victor.
Automated multiple passes, is a marvelous advancement
especially as it offers each pass with a high resolution.
I scan at 500dpi, so 30 stamps at 500dpi is fast and easy.
example here is six stamps at resolution 150dpi with marquees.............
http://cjoint.com/data/ffosWh5esk.htm
They dump straight into Photoshop or ACDSee.

There are a multitude of software programs out there offering
what you seek, but personally I am awaiting the relase of new
scanners with the inbult option which should arrive soon.




I leave enough space on the scanner window between the stamps, scan all of
them, and then I rotate each of stamps in place (and sometimes all of them
too, if there is a general direction). Then I cut out each rotated stamp
from the general image, make adjustments and save each in the desired
resolution. Very often I can make the adjustments for all stamps at once,
after having rotated them in place, and then I cut them out.

I would pay $50 for a program that correctly rotates the stamps, separate
them and then let me import all images at ones into Photoshop et Co.

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Victor Manta

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"J. A. Mc." wrote in message
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On 4 May 2006 10:05:10 -0700, "
found these unused words floating about:

Hi,
I have Photoshop , but have never used the function you describe. Can
you please tell me the name of the function or where to find the script
to slice the images? Thanks.

Suzi

The 'function' is "Action", -=you=- write the script by doing it once in
the
record mode.

Press F1 and select "Action".


I'll have to look at this myself. Looks like it can help me scan covers
faster. They are usually all the same size.

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Victor Manta a écrit:
"Jan Doggen" wrote in
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"Victor Manta" schreef in bericht
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As I see it, the problem with this software is not only that it is
much too expensive but also that the result (Figure 5. Image after
deskewing) still needs some rotation from hand.
Wouldn't it be better, regardless of the software used, to try to put
the stamps next to each other in a black page with transparant
'strips' (don't know the proper English word for those). Then they are
always perfectly upright *and* they don't stick to the scanner lid
(static), shift, overlap, or are blown away when you open the lid ;-).
The only thing is that you might see the transparent strips, but for
auctions that would be acceptable IMO.

My 0,02

Bye
Jan

I suppose that seing the strip on stamps for auctions shoulnd't be a
problem but for my web pages it isn't, unfortunately, an acceptable
solution.

It is indeed not acceptable. We need black background and
not strips. The solution is to use some furniture where
strips recover the whole stamp/document.

For instance, Lindner Omnia pages
http://www.lindner-usa.com/catalog/m...urpose/52.html

Even so, I usually need to make some rotation
adjustments.

EzImage looks good, but the price makes it
a professional tool :-(

They also disable the most interesting features in the demo mode (in fact
you seem to have to PAY EXTRA for those features, even after you buy the
program!!!).

If I can't test ALL of a program's bells and whistles, I am NOT going to
buy it!




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bz

please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an
infinite set.

remove ch100-5 to avoid spam trap

EzImage does deskew quite well and can add black backgrounds too.

I realize it is pricey but if you do it day in and day out it will pay
for itself. It depends on how you value your time. If you can afford to
spend hours, then that is your choice. If you make a living from stamps,
etc. one can justify the benefit.

Al

Dominique Stéphan wrote:
Victor Manta a écrit:
"Jan Doggen" wrote in
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"Victor Manta" schreef in bericht
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As I see it, the problem with this software is not only that it is
much too expensive but also that the result (Figure 5. Image after
deskewing) still needs some rotation from hand.
Wouldn't it be better, regardless of the software used, to try to put
the stamps next to each other in a black page with transparant
'strips' (don't know the proper English word for those). Then they
are always perfectly upright *and* they don't stick to the scanner
lid (static), shift, overlap, or are blown away when you open the lid
;-).
The only thing is that you might see the transparent strips, but for
auctions that would be acceptable IMO.

My 0,02

Bye
Jan

I suppose that seing the strip on stamps for auctions shoulnd't be a
problem but for my web pages it isn't, unfortunately, an acceptable
solution.

It is indeed not acceptable. We need black background and
not strips. The solution is to use some furniture where
strips recover the whole stamp/document.

For instance, Lindner Omnia pages
http://www.lindner-usa.com/catalog/m...urpose/52.html

Even so, I usually need to make some rotation
adjustments.

EzImage looks good, but the price makes it
a professional tool :-(

"Al G." wrote in message
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EzImage does deskew quite well and can add black backgrounds too.

I realize it is pricey but if you do it day in and day out it will pay for
itself. It depends on how you value your time. If you can afford to spend
hours, then that is your choice. If you make a living from stamps, etc.
one can justify the benefit.

Al

I'm not sure whether somebody who has to spend hours without using the
program will or want still have to spend many of them with it.

It would be interesting to know which percentage of the total of scanned and
corrected images still needed to be rotated by hand in order to look OK.

I also wonder which figure should be considered as being acceptable, taking
into consideration the announced price? I suppose that not more then 5
percent but I'm not sure of that either.

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You can download the demo version and use it like I did for the review
to answer the questions you pose.

Al

Victor Manta wrote:
"Al G." wrote in message
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EzImage does deskew quite well and can add black backgrounds too.

I realize it is pricey but if you do it day in and day out it will pay for
itself. It depends on how you value your time. If you can afford to spend
hours, then that is your choice. If you make a living from stamps, etc.
one can justify the benefit.

Al

I'm not sure whether somebody who has to spend hours without using the
program will or want still have to spend many of them with it.

It would be interesting to know which percentage of the total of scanned and
corrected images still needed to be rotated by hand in order to look OK.

I also wonder which figure should be considered as being acceptable, taking
into consideration the announced price? I suppose that not more then 5
percent but I'm not sure of that either.

Victor Manta wrote:
"Al G." wrote in message
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EzImage does deskew quite well and can add black backgrounds too.

I realize it is pricey but if you do it day in and day out it will pay
for itself. It depends on how you value your time. If you can afford to
spend hours, then that is your choice. If you make a living from stamps,
etc. one can justify the benefit.

Al

I'm not sure whether somebody who has to spend hours without using the
program will or want still have to spend many of them with it.

It would be interesting to know which percentage of the total of scanned
and corrected images still needed to be rotated by hand in order to look
OK.

I also wonder which figure should be considered as being acceptable,
taking into consideration the announced price? I suppose that not more
then 5 percent but I'm not sure of that either.

"Al G." wrote in message
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You can download the demo version and use it like I did for the review to
answer the questions you pose.

Al

Thanks you for your proposal. Looking at your review, I thinks that I
remember (but I'm not sure) that I've done some tests some time ago, and
that I've got the same results you got.

Anyway, because I'm not a professional reviewer, I'm not able to answer the
question which percentage of wrong results can be considered as acceptable
for a given price, so I hoped that maybe you can answer it.

Finally, I have decided to try another approach to the problem of automation
of the mass scanning of stamps, and I will publish here the results soon .

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