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Old September 27th 06, 05:40 PM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Tinny Ray
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Default Rex Curry makes NEWS re symbolism on Soviet stamps & money !!

A lot of fascinating research examines how socialists and their
propaganda have haunted the world. Many authors worry today about a
future filled with persecution and global socialism. Those worries have
relevance to the enormous size and scope of government worldwide.

In 1917, socialism was imposed in Russia when the former Union of
Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was formed after the Russian
Revolution of 1917, and the Russian Civil War of 1918-1920. The
propaganda machinary introduced a new symbol for the new government:
the swastika. The Soviet swastika was so popular that paper money
printed in the year 1917 carried large swastikas in the center of the
bills. http://rexcurry.net/ussr-socialist-s...cccp-sssr.html

A similar fad grew in Germany, where the symbol was popular with
socialists and became the sign of the National Socialist German
Workers' Party (NSGWP).

Through the work of both countries, the swastika would become a global
symbol of socialism.

Eventually, Soviet socialists switched from the swastika to the hammer
and sickle. The hammer and sickle resembles the earlier Soviet swastika
flipped horizontally. The USSR's hammer and sickle might have been
intended as a visual reminder of the Russian version of its own earlier
swastika.

The swastika flag under German National Socialism was influenced by the
Soviet swastika and by the hammer and sickle of Soviet socialism. Each
country's symbol resembles the other symbol pointing in the opposite
direction, and with alterations.

The Soviet swastika was unusual due to these features: it was 45
degrees to the horizontal (in a diamond shape), it was pointed
clockwise, it was squared at its corners, and it was proportionally the
same as the swastika used later by German National Socialists.
Swastikas can point either way and are often flat on one side. The
Soviet swastika and the German swastika were the same swastika. The
swastika had been used by socialist groups in Germany before 1917,
however the earlier use was never the same as the Soviet swastika, and
the symbol was almost always flat on one side and likely to point in
either direction. When German National Socialists altered their
swastika it occurred after the debut of the Soviet swastika in 1917.
The definitive version of the swastika under German National Socialism
(e.g. the version on the flag) was inspired by the Soviet swastika.

The Soviet swastika's unusual orientation emphasizes the appearance of
alphabetic "S" lettering.

Although the swastika was an ancient symbol, the historian Dr. Rex
Curry (author of "Swastika Secrets") discovered that it was also used
sometimes by German National Socialists to represent "S" letters for
their "socialism." The leader of German National Socialism rotated the
symbol 45 degrees and had newer uses oriented clockwise. He altered his
own signature to use the same symbolism, and similar alphabetic
symbolism still shows on Volkswagens.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html

The NSGWP's use of the swastika as "S" letters in alphabetic symbolism
for "Socialism" was inspired by the Soviet swastika. The USSR's
swastika was seen as a union of "S" letters for "Soviet Socialist" as
in the "Union of Soviet Socialist Republics" (In German: "Union der
Sozialistischen Sowjetrepubliken"). After the swastika became the
symbol of German National Socialists, the symbol was altered to
represent intertwined "S" letters for "Sieg Socialism" (Socialist
Victory) or "Socialist Solidarity" or representing socialists from
different groups joining together under the NSGWP (especially after
other groups were banned in another example of German socialists
copying Soviet socialists).

If the acronym "USSR" used a swastika to replace the two "S" letters,
then it would illustrate the symbolism of the Soviet swastika, similar
to how it appeared in the center of paper currency under Soviet
socialism. In 1917, some Soviet Socialists might have interpreted the
symbol more generally as "Soviet Socialists" or "Union of Soviets" or
"Union of Socialists" ("Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh" or "Soyuz
Sovetskikh" or "Soyuz Sotsialisticheskikh" from "Soyuz Sovetskikh
Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik" or SSSR).

German National Socialists and Soviet Socialists have a history of
aping each other. The flag color for German National Socialists was
influenced by Soviet Socialists.

One country mimicked the other in the adoption of the salutes that they
imposed on their civilians, and both countries mimicked the United
States (the origin of their salutes). Dr. Rex Curry showed that the
USA's early Pledge of Allegiance (to the flag) used an extended-arm
salute and it was the origin of the salute of the German National
Socialists and Soviet Socialists. Francis Bellamy created the pledge to
the USA's flag, and he was a self-proclaimed socialist in the
nationalism movement in the USA. The USA's original pledge began with a
military salute that then stretched out toward the flag. Dr. Curry
showed that, due to the way that both gestures were used sequentially
in the pledge, the military salute led to the salute adopted later by
German Socialists and Soviet Socialists. Their salutes are extended
military salutes via the USA's pledge.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-pledge.html

Bellamy's original pledge stated that the palm should be turned upward
with the arm gracefully curved upward. In actual practice in the USA,
the second part of the gesture was performed with a straight arm and
palm down by children who merely extended the military salute while
perfunctorily performing the forced ritual chanting. That was the
origin of the hard stylized salute adopted later by German National
Socialists.

The Soviet socialist salute is arguably closer to Bellamy's first
description because the arm is maintained in a curved position as if
the American salute was started but not completed. Soviet socialists
then followed the American practice of not turning the palm upward.
Stamps showing the salute are visilble at the first url in this
article.

The dogma of socialists in the United States, Germany, Russia and
elsewhere led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which the Holocaust was a
part): 65 million slaughtered under the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics; 49 million under the Peoples' Republic of China; 21 million
under the National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Vladimir Lenin (the first leader of the Union of Soviet Socialist
Republics) was fluent in German, English, and other languages. Many
educated Russians were fluent in other languages.

Lenin is credited with translating Karl Marx's Manifesto from German
into Russian. Marx was German.

The book "Lenin - A New Biography," page 8. ISBN 0-02-933435-7 by
Dimitri Volkogonov states that Lenin's antecedents were Russian,
German, Swedish, and others.

Lenin had previously lived in Munich, Germany and in Vienna, Austria
(Both cities were essentially the hometowns of the leader of the
National Socialist German Workers' Party).

Lenin's original name was not "Lenin." He adopted the pseudonym "Lenin"
in Germany. His previous name was: Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov. The name
Lenin (Ленин) was acquired while he was staying near Lehnin Abbey,
in Brandenburg, Germany. It is fascinating to note here another
ominous parallel with the life of the leader of German National
Socialism who resided at Lambach Abbey in Austria, and first saw the
swastika symbol on the Abbey's exterior decorations.

Lenin had been in Germany shortly before returning to the USSR in 1917.
He traveled throughout Germany and Europe meeting other socialists and
making plans. Lenin collaborated with powerful socialist politicans in
Germany, including Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht (They are
sometimes referred to as "The Three L's" for Lenin, Luxemburg and
Liebknecht). Another of the many socialist groups that existed in
Germany at that time was the German Workers' Party, in existance since
1902, and later to become the National Socialist German Workers' Party
(Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei in 1919. The leader of
the NSGWP had wanted to call the group the "Social Revolutionary
Party"). Some of the many socialist groups were known as Freikorps and
they already used the swastika symbol in Germany (although at that time
the symbol was always flat on one side and likely to point in either
direction). On November 9, 1918, Liebknecht declared the formation of a
"Deutsche Freie Sozialistische Republik" (German Free Socialist
Republic). Some Freikorps groups were used in aid of the new socialist
provisional government in Germany.

At the time of the overthrow of Tsar Nicholas II (March 1917) at
Petrograd in the 1917 February Revolution, Vladimir Lenin was residing
in Switzerland (during WWI) but, with the aid of the German government,
he was able to return to Russia quickly. Fritz Platten, a swiss
citizen, made special arrangments with the German government for Lenin
and his company to travel through Germany by train. Once past Germany,
Lenin continued by ferry to Sweden, and the rest of the trip through
Scandinavia was arranged by Otto Grimlund and Ture Nerman.

Back in his own Fatherland, Lenin was accused of being a traitor and an
agent of Germany by Aleksander Kerensky and others. The Soviet swastika
might be more evidence that supports that accusation.

After murdering so many people, Lenin died (1924) of complications
years after a murder attempt (in 1918) by an assassin who accused him
of being a traitor. On August 30, 1918, Fanya Kaplan shot Lenin three
times and later explained that she considered Lenin a traitor, and
particularly so for Lenin's banning of other socialist groups,
including her group. She was a member of the Socialist Revolutionary
Party (It is interesting to note that the leader of the NSGWP had
originally wanted to call his party the "Social Revolutionary Party").
An earlier (and possibly unrelated) assassination attempt had occurred
on January 14, 1918, when gun shots had been fired at Lenin as he rode
in a car with Fritz Platten (the person who had arranged Germany's aid
in returning Lenin to Russia).

Lenin's dogma was the same dogma that led to the socialist Wholecaust
(of which the Holocaust was a part): 65 million slaughtered under the
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics; 49 million under the Peoples'
Republic of China; 21 million under the National Socialist German
Workers' Party.

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Old September 27th 06, 08:17 PM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Victor Manta
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Default Rex Curry makes NEWS re symbolism on Soviet stamps & money !!

"Tinny Ray" wrote in message
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http://rexcurry.net/ussr-socialist-s...cccp-sssr.html


Interesting, but maybe it's a better idea to put here just a short
introduction and the URL to the pertaining page, because the page itself
contains the same text _and_ also the relevant images.

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Old September 27th 06, 10:16 PM posted to rec.collecting.stamps.discuss
Tinny Ray
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Default Rex Curry makes NEWS re symbolism on Soviet stamps & money !!

Thanks for the comment. You have a great website regarding stamps and
history.

Here is something else I found at
http://rexcurry.net/filmrev-triumph-of-the-will.html
that I found amusing -

Helene Bertha Amalie "Leni" Riefenstahl (August 22, 1902 - September
8, 2003) produced films for Adolf Hitler. She was given the nickname
"Leni" as a reference to V. I. Lenin (who died years earlier, in 1924).
The nickname started after joking remarks concerning the relationship
between the leader of German National Socialism and his twin, the
leader of Soviet Socialists "Joseph Stalin." "Stalin" means "steel"
and "Riefenstahl" means "scoring steel." The nickname with Leni's last
name was a reference to the effect of her film work for socialism.

 




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