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FA: 1955/55 DDO Lincoln Cent PCGS MS-64 RD Oly..this one's for YOU



 
 
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  #11  
Old July 4th 07, 04:59 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Steve
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Default FA: 1955/55 DDO Lincoln Cent PCGS MS-64 RD Oly..this one's for YOU


"Ned" ] wrote in message
d.net...
In article .com
Ira wrote:

One of the finest Ms-64 RDs I've ever seen.

.........

See it at:http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-55-DDO-Linc...PCGS-MS-64-RD-
Very-PQ-NR_W0QQitemZ250139097710


Bad link. Try this one: http://urltea.com/wjg

For all your items, you can use this link: http://easyurl.net/iras4


Nice coin Ira, and certainly worth 5 digit money; but if it weren't for the
doubling I think the graders would have seen the evidence of circulation.
This is a good example of maket grading. Thanks for sharing and I wish you
the best with the auction - that coin would fit in nicely with a high end
set.

Steve


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Old July 4th 07, 05:08 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
oly
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Default O.K., so what about that spot Ira?

On Jul 3, 9:47 pm, oly wrote:
On Jul 3, 9:38 pm, oly wrote:





On Jul 3, 9:22 pm, oly wrote:


On Jul 3, 9:13 pm, oly wrote:


On Jul 3, 9:03 pm, oly wrote:


On Jul 3, 8:46 pm, oly wrote:


On Jul 3, 8:34 pm, oly wrote:


On Jul 3, 8:21 pm, oly wrote:


On Jul 3, 7:38 pm, Ira wrote:


Ira wrote:
One of the finest Ms-64 RDs I've ever seen. In a 7 year old slab. Why
is this important? Because a few 64Rdson the market now, 2 of which
are inPCGS slabs, have been reclored by coin doctor(s)! Within a year,
the color becomes unnatoral and the coin can no longer be called
original. After a coin
has been recolored, the surfaces are then chemically active, and even
within a slab, the surfaces continue to change visually. When the
coloring is fresh and skillfully done, the coin can fool PCGS and NGC
and the other two better slabbers. The rest of the grading companies
just don't care as they offer no
meaningful guarantees. This coin has remained unchanged for 7 years
and the color is completely natural and original. Sorry, Oly, this one
will cost you well over $8,000.


See it at:http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-55-DDO-Linc...PCGS-MS-64-RD-
Very-PQ-NR_W0QQitemZ250139097710


See if the following link works and thanks for looking.


Ira


http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-55-DDO-Linc...-RD-Very-PQ-NR...


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Oh Ira, we worship your godhead IRA-WEH.


Your briefcase is the holy of holies of numismatics! The ark of the
covenant of the only GOD of ALL RCC numismatics!


All hail and prostrate yourself before the GOD IRA ALMIGHTY!!!!! OZ
GOD IRA!!!


THE RCC CULT NOT WORTHY TO SUCK the toe jamb FROM between YOUR DIGITS
but WHO DO SO ANYWAY! POUR THE KOOL_AIDE!!!


OH GOD IRA!!! YOU ARE SO GREAT!!! IF IT IS NOT AN IRA COIN, IT IS
DROSS!!! DROSS!!!


BELIEVE ONLY IRA!!! WORSHIP ONLY IRA!!! LOVE HIM, LOVE HIS (7 year
old) PLASTIC!!!


Unworthy of you GODHEAD, all other dealers suck before YOU IRA!


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P.S. there, oh great OZ - Any normal/sane person would choose 15 or 16
MS 63 St. Gaudens in PCGS or NGC holders, selected in person, of
course. Or for that matter, maybe 19 or 20 one ounce AGEs


But, members of the cult of IRA have more cents than sense.


Winter is coming sayeth the Ant to the Grasshopper.


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Sheesh, I ought to get 17 nice GOLD Saints for the same price as your
COPPER/Bronze penny.


And indeed your photo does seem to show a nice tin spot over the
second five. Does PCGS guarantee that that tin spot is not gonna get
worse?


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Yep, sure looks like a genuine tin spot there over that second (or
should I say third and fourth) digit five? Or is there a problem with
the picture?


When I get pre-1962 cents for elongating, I really can't use them if
they have a tin spot like that one on your coin Ira. People think it
ruins the aesthetics of an elongated coin when it has a honking big
tin spot right in a focal area of an otherwise beautiful squished
penny.


Dontja know that tin spots kinda always get in a focal area of a cent,
kinda like near the date, or right in front of old Abe - but right at
the date is bad too, which is not a good place to have a honking big
tin spot. Especially if the coin or elongated coin is otherwise kinda
pricey, kinda like when you ask five or ten dollars for an older
elongated. Even people who don't do round coins kinda have problems
with tin spots in focal areas. Gotta watch out for them tin spots.


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Ya know, sometimes I'll pay two dollar a roll for 1974 Lincoln cents,
because then I know I won't have to deal with tin spots. They don't
have any tin in 'em at that point, don't ya know. I've elongated some
nice uncirculated rolls of cents from the mid-1950s - people who lived
at the time of a centennial in the mid-1950s really appreciate it when
you roll a out a few hundred coins for the present day mid-2000s
sesquicentennial celebration elongateds, but go to the troublt to use
some of those fifty year old coins.


And I don't mind using a few rolls of mid 1950s uncirculated cents,
but damn, so many of them have great big honking tin spots. Tin spots
are really a big question mark; will they get worse with the passage
of time and ruin an otherwise beautiful elongated? That's not to say
that the tin spot on your coin is all that bad Oz, but it is (well, it
appears to be) a tin spot and those things tend to get worse with the
passage of time and damn if they don't always appear right in a focal
spot on the obverse of the coin!


I'm glad that the Mint stopped using tin, but now they don't use
copper either, MOL. Tin spots is a problem.


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I went and looked again to be fer sure, and while there are several
goobers on my computer screen, isn't that a tin spot near the
date?


If I'm wrong, and it's not a tin spot, well I stand corrected (well,
actually I sit corrected, because it's kinda hard to do all this
typing and not be sit down in a nice sturdy chair, really, do you know
very many people who compose on the computer while standing up?). But
that green/grey color spot looks like it might be on the coin and damn
don't ya just hate when that happens?


Of course, my eyes aren't what they used to be and maybe I'll gp look
at that lot again with some computer magnification.


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Yeah, you know sometimes the copper alloy in a nice Saint Gaudens
doesn't mix as well as it should and you can get a coppery
amalgamation on/ near the surface of a twenty dollar gold piece. But
in the last resort, well an ounce of gold is always an ounce of gold
and you can still sell it for melt and get some lunch. But them damn
tin spots can sure take the wind out of the sales of a pricey Lincoln
one cent, which of course is just three grams of copper plus a trace
of that pesky tin. Man, as a numismatist and elongated coin roller, I
really hate them tin spots.


Or is that green/gray spot on the 7 year old plastic? Sometimes, ya
know, plastic looses its integrity too if the goopy crap doesn't mix
right or gets some impurities in it. Or maybe the spot was on your
scanner, which would be too bad too because if it's on your scanner
maybe that spot in the glass will get etched into the glass and then
there will be a ghost spot on everything else you scan for ebay. But
that still might be better than a tin spot.


oly


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Of course, considering the cigarette machine story so often associated
with the 1955 Lincoln double-die Cent, it MIGHT be a tobacco spot.

My grandpa chewed tobacco (actually he chewed cigars and spat or
swallowed the 'backy as he felt like) and there were tobacco spots all
over in the insides of his pickup truck. My brother still has that
1952 Ford truck as a kind of an heirloom, and perhaps I'll go look in
the cab and compare it to the spot in your picture, Ira.

But then if the coin was vended in cellophane, that makes it less
likely to be a tobacco spot and rather more likely to be a tin spot.
That's one line of reasoning. That's too bad, because a fifty year
old tin spot could be more subject to change than a fifty year old
tobacco spot. But if a 1955 Lincoln double die Cent had a tobacco
spot, that might be a kind of environmental diagnostic indicator that
would tend to suggest its authenticity, which would be a good and
helpful kind of diagnostics, at least spotwise, compared to a good for
nothing damn old pesky tin spot.

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Whuttza matter OZ, did you think we wouldn't spot that spot and put
you on the spot? Or shouldn't you have spotted the spot first? Or
maybe you did spot the spot and put the selling dealer on the spot and
then hope we wouldn't spot the spot. Or an I wrong and that coin
doesn't have a spotty spot in a spot just above the date? Or did you
just "buy the holder" and just didn't spot the spot?

$13,400 for a Lincoln penny with a green/blue spot in a focal point
near the date. Huh. I guess the buyer gets the spot for know extra
charge.

oly

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Old July 4th 07, 10:17 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
oly
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Default Old Chinese Proverb: Ira, this One's for your Cult!

On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, "Steve" wrote:
"Ned" ] wrote in message

d.net...

In article .com
Ira wrote:


One of the finest Ms-64 RDs I've ever seen.

.........


See it at:http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-55-DDO-Linc...PCGS-MS-64-RD-
Very-PQ-NR_W0QQitemZ250139097710


Bad link. Try this one:http://urltea.com/wjg


For all your items, you can use this link:http://easyurl.net/iras4


Nice coin Ira, and certainly worth 5 digit money; but if it weren't for the
doubling I think the graders would have seen the evidence of circulation.
This is a good example of maket grading. Thanks for sharing and I wish you
the best with the auction - that coin would fit in nicely with a high end
set.

Steve



Old Chinese Proverb:

The buyer needs 1000 eyes; the seller not a single one.

oly

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Old July 4th 07, 01:41 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
oly
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Default Has Anyone SPOTTED Ira recently?

On Jul 4, 4:17 am, oly wrote:
On Jul 3, 10:59 pm, "Steve" wrote:





"Ned" ] wrote in message


ed.net...


In article .com
Ira wrote:


One of the finest Ms-64 RDs I've ever seen.
.........


See it at:http://cgi.ebay.com/1955-55-DDO-Linc...PCGS-MS-64-RD-
Very-PQ-NR_W0QQitemZ250139097710


Bad link. Try this one:http://urltea.com/wjg


For all your items, you can use this link:http://easyurl.net/iras4


Nice coin Ira, and certainly worth 5 digit money; but if it weren't for the
doubling I think the graders would have seen the evidence of circulation.
This is a good example of maket grading. Thanks for sharing and I wish you
the best with the auction - that coin would fit in nicely with a high end
set.


Steve


Old Chinese Proverb:

The buyer needs 1000 eyes; the seller not a single one.

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Looks like Oz can (try) to dish it out, but he just can't take it.
Typical.

oly

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Old July 4th 07, 04:14 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Jud
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Default Has Anyone SPOTTED Ira recently?


oly wrote:

Looks like Oz can (try) to dish it out, but he just can't take it.
Typical.

oly


Makes me think of the line from the movie Wizard of Oz... "Ignore that
man behind the curtain". Sounds like good advice!

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Old July 4th 07, 04:49 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Ira
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Default FA: 1955/55 DDO Lincoln Cent PCGS MS-64 RD Oly..this one's for YOU


Steve wrote:


Nice coin Ira, and certainly worth 5 digit money; but if it weren't for the
doubling I think the graders would have seen the evidence of circulation.
This is a good example of maket grading. Thanks for sharing and I wish you
the best with the auction - that coin would fit in nicely with a high end
set.

Steve


I see no evidence of wear on that coin, Steve. As all uncs and circs
wre pulled out of the channels of commerce, you might say that ALL
show some circulation, but the criteria is
whether one can see wear under 7X magnification. If not, all grading
services will designate as uncirculated. That's trueof all coins, not
justLincoln cents. I've handled dozens of AU-55/58s of this date as
well as uncs, and the
AU-58s all show clear rub on cheek and jawbone, the highest points of
a Lincoln Cent. This doesn'tshow that rub.I don't believe the doubling
has anything to do with the designation of uncirculated.


Ira

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Old July 4th 07, 04:56 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
jim menning
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Default O.K., so what about that spot Ira?


"oly" wrote in message
oups.com...


Whuttza matter OZ, did you think we wouldn't spot that spot and put
you on the spot? Or shouldn't you have spotted the spot first? Or
maybe you did spot the spot and put the selling dealer on the spot and
then hope we wouldn't spot the spot. Or an I wrong and that coin
doesn't have a spotty spot in a spot just above the date? Or did you
just "buy the holder" and just didn't spot the spot?

$13,400 for a Lincoln penny with a green/blue spot in a focal point
near the date. Huh. I guess the buyer gets the spot for know extra
charge.



What's really sad about your obsession with Ira is that you don't seem to have any
real comprehension about what you are talking about.

For example, in your lengthy ranting here about the "spot" on the coin, you keep
challenging Ira as though he is supposed to admit that there is a "spot" on the coin.

The funny thing is, had you fully read and understood the description in the listing,
you would have seen that Ira was very clear in disclosing the presence of the spot,
and using it as a criteria for why the coin is not valued higher.

Now you can keep on attacking Ira all you want, most people probably have you
kill-filed anyway, and the rest know not to take you seriously. But if you are going
to attack him, at least have a valid reason. Ira has been a noted coin authority for
years, and can be truly considered an expert in his main collecting area. The coins
he offers are far above the norm, and you can see by the prices they command that
they are certainly due the premium they get. On the other hand, your obsessive rants
show you to be nothing more than a common troll. You are out looking for attention
that you don't deserve. All you are accomplishing is making yourself look more and
more like a petty jealous teenager. If you have anything of value to add to this
group, please do so. But if you wish to continue in the same way as you have been,
expect to end up in more kill-files.



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Old July 4th 07, 07:08 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
oly
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Default O.K., so what about that spot Ira?

On Jul 4, 9:56 am, "jim menning" wrote:
"oly" wrote in message

oups.com...



Whuttza matter OZ, did you think we wouldn't spot that spot and put
you on the spot? Or shouldn't you have spotted the spot first? Or
maybe you did spot the spot and put the selling dealer on the spot and
then hope we wouldn't spot the spot. Or an I wrong and that coin
doesn't have a spotty spot in a spot just above the date? Or did you
just "buy the holder" and just didn't spot the spot?


$13,400 for a Lincoln penny with a green/blue spot in a focal point
near the date. Huh. I guess the buyer gets the spot for know extra
charge.


What's really sad about your obsession with Ira is that you don't seem to have any
real comprehension about what you are talking about.

For example, in your lengthy ranting here about the "spot" on the coin, you keep
challenging Ira as though he is supposed to admit that there is a "spot" on the coin.

The funny thing is, had you fully read and understood the description in the listing,
you would have seen that Ira was very clear in disclosing the presence of the spot,
and using it as a criteria for why the coin is not valued higher.

Now you can keep on attacking Ira all you want, most people probably have you
kill-filed anyway, and the rest know not to take you seriously. But if you are going
to attack him, at least have a valid reason. Ira has been a noted coin authority for
years, and can be truly considered an expert in his main collecting area. The coins
he offers are far above the norm, and you can see by the prices they command that
they are certainly due the premium they get. On the other hand, your obsessive rants
show you to be nothing more than a common troll. You are out looking for attention
that you don't deserve. All you are accomplishing is making yourself look more and
more like a petty jealous teenager. If you have anything of value to add to this
group, please do so. But if you wish to continue in the same way as you have been,
expect to end up in more kill-files.


Ira threw down the gauntlet first, hoss. You can continue to lick his
toe jamb at your leisure.

It could be to absolutely no person's advantage or pleasure to pay
$13,400 for this one cent coin.

Well, I take that back. It would certainly be to Ira's advantage.

Cults never question their god until it's too late.

oly

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Old July 4th 07, 07:32 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
jim menning
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Default O.K., so what about that spot Ira?


"oly" wrote in message
ps.com...

Ira threw down the gauntlet first, hoss. You can continue to lick his
toe jamb at your leisure.

It could be to absolutely no person's advantage or pleasure to pay
$13,400 for this one cent coin.

Well, I take that back. It would certainly be to Ira's advantage.

Cults never question their god until it's too late.

oly


You make no sense, and continue to avoid all logic. You are a true waste of
everyone's time here.


  #20  
Old July 4th 07, 07:57 PM posted to rec.collecting.coins
oly
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Default O.K., so what about that spot Ira?

On Jul 4, 1:32 pm, "jim menning" wrote:
"oly" wrote in message

ps.com...



Ira threw down the gauntlet first, hoss. You can continue to lick his
toe jamb at your leisure.


It could be to absolutely no person's advantage or pleasure to pay
$13,400 for this one cent coin.


Well, I take that back. It would certainly be to Ira's advantage.


Cults never question their god until it's too late.


oly


You make no sense, and continue to avoid all logic. You are a true waste of
everyone's time here.


If this same coin appeared on e-bay under another seller, Ira would
find at least a dozen ways to find fault with it.

And you'd lick it all up, Kool-aide boy.

oly

 




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