ANI - Yet another self-slabber

Probably old news to some of you, but it's worth repeating...

A relatively new slabber is ANI ("American Numismatic Institute").
Information about them can be found at this web site:
http://www.anicoins.com

According to Network Solutions, this domain is registered to a person in
Jackson, MS : http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/index.jsp

The email contact address for this registration is tuesdaynightcoins @
a-popular-free-mail-service-that-ends-in-hoo.com

Go to eBay and do a search for TuesdayNightCoins on eBay and you'll find
auctions such as the following:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=110016355898

In it, the seller discusses ANI (in the third person) by saying, "We
believe they are very fair and accurate and worthy to be listed on our
site. For more information, visit their web site anicoins.com"

Oh, and by the way, the PO Box he lists in his eBay payment instructions
is the same one used by the registrant for the anicoins.com domain.

Maybe it's all an amazing coincidence. yeah, that's the ticket...

--
Jim Seymour

Jim Seymour wrote:
Probably old news to some of you, but it's worth repeating...

A relatively new slabber is ANI ("American Numismatic Institute").
Information about them can be found at this web site:
http://www.anicoins.com

Yikes! Look under "Grading and Slabbing Process"

"Our holders contain a PVC material that will not react with the coins
metal."

PVC in the holders? That can't be good. No, not at all!

--
___ ____________
\ \/ ___ ___/ Charles R. Kaiser HOKC - MFA 1991
\ / / / -- GO HOKIES! --
\ / / /
\/ /__/ Technical Theatre & Design - fewer actors, more beer

Direct all incoming fire to: 17TPJ2411274412
Zone 17T Zone CM -81 E 624112 N 4874412
44° 00'44.55" N, 79° 27'05.92" W 44.0123706, -79.45164444

"Charles R. Kaiser" wrote in message
...
Jim Seymour wrote:
Probably old news to some of you, but it's worth repeating...

A relatively new slabber is ANI ("American Numismatic Institute").
Information about them can be found at this web site:
http://www.anicoins.com

Yikes! Look under "Grading and Slabbing Process"

"Our holders contain a PVC material that will not react with the coins
metal."

PVC in the holders? That can't be good. No, not at all!

Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) is inert. It is also quite stiff and brittle. The
culprit in the 2x2 holders is a solvent (some call it a plasticizer, some
call it a softener, makes no diff to me) that migrates through the body of
the PVC to 1) make it more pliable and 2) make it less susceptible to
cracking and splitting. It is this chemical cocktail that causes the green
slime to form.

Mr. Jaggers

Mr. Jaggers wrote:

Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) is inert. It is also quite stiff and brittle. The
culprit in the 2x2 holders is a solvent (some call it a plasticizer, some
call it a softener, makes no diff to me) that migrates through the body of
the PVC to 1) make it more pliable and 2) make it less susceptible to
cracking and splitting. It is this chemical cocktail that causes the green
slime to form.

PVC is NOT totally inert. Even if the PVC is not plasticized, there is a
risk of it releasing hydrochloric acid. It is a POOR choice for coin
holders.

They should be sticking with polyethylene, polypropylene, polystyrene,
Mylar D tm (polyethylene terephthalate), Kodar tm (similar to Mylar D
tm), and Plexiglas tm (polymethyl methacrylate).

--
___ ____________
\ \/ ___ ___/ Charles R. Kaiser HOKC - MFA 1991
\ / / / -- GO HOKIES! --
\ / / /
\/ /__/ Technical Theatre & Design - fewer actors, more beer

Direct all incoming fire to: 17TPJ2411274412
Zone 17T Zone CM -81 E 624112 N 4874412
44° 00'44.55" N, 79° 27'05.92" W 44.0123706, -79.45164444

"Charles R. Kaiser" wrote in message
...
Mr. Jaggers wrote:

Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) is inert. It is also quite stiff and brittle.
The culprit in the 2x2 holders is a solvent (some call it a plasticizer,
some call it a softener, makes no diff to me) that migrates through the
body of the PVC to 1) make it more pliable and 2) make it less
susceptible to cracking and splitting. It is this chemical cocktail that
causes the green slime to form.

PVC is NOT totally inert. Even if the PVC is not plasticized, there is a
risk of it releasing hydrochloric acid. It is a POOR choice for coin
holders.

They should be sticking with polyethylene, polypropylene, polystyrene,
Mylar D tm (polyethylene terephthalate), Kodar tm (similar to Mylar D tm),
and Plexiglas tm (polymethyl methacrylate).

Under what conditions will PVC release HCl?

Mr. Jaggers

Charles R. Kaiser wrote:

PVC is NOT totally inert. Even if the PVC is not plasticized, there is a
risk of it releasing hydrochloric acid. It is a POOR choice for coin
holders.

While I agree that PVC is a poor choice for coin holders (whether
plasticized or not) from what I have read, the PVC must encounter very
high temperatures (or be burned) or come under severe exposure to
ultraviolet light before it can degrade and release any hydrogen
chloride gas....which must then combine with water to form hydrochloric
acid.

It certainly cannot happen at room temperature or as a result of simple
exposure to sunlight as one former poster of periodic drivel has
suggested.

Mr. Jaggers wrote:

Under what conditions will PVC release HCl?

PVC will outgas HCl under electromagnetic irradiation and even when
irradiated with white light. Chlorinated plastics decompose at elevated
temperatures and under elevated levels of UV with the release of gaseous
HCl.

So if you were to send your coins out to be slabbed by a company that
used PVC holders, and the Department of Homeland Security decided that
they needed to bombard your shipment with electromagnetic radiation to
kill off some supposed threat (it's happened! See Feb. 18 2002 issue of
Coin World) there go your coins!

--
___ ____________
\ \/ ___ ___/ Charles R. Kaiser HOKC - MFA 1991
\ / / / -- GO HOKIES! --
\ / / /
\/ /__/ Technical Theatre & Design - fewer actors, more beer

Direct all incoming fire to: 17TPJ2411274412
Zone 17T Zone CM -81 E 624112 N 4874412
44° 00'44.55" N, 79° 27'05.92" W 44.0123706, -79.45164444

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 17:45:59 -0500, "Mr. Jaggers"
lugburzman[at]yahoo[dot]com wrote:


"Charles R. Kaiser" wrote in message
...
Mr. Jaggers wrote:

Polyvinyl chloride (PVC) is inert. It is also quite stiff and brittle.
The culprit in the 2x2 holders is a solvent (some call it a plasticizer,
some call it a softener, makes no diff to me) that migrates through the
body of the PVC to 1) make it more pliable and 2) make it less
susceptible to cracking and splitting. It is this chemical cocktail that
causes the green slime to form.

PVC is NOT totally inert. Even if the PVC is not plasticized, there is a
risk of it releasing hydrochloric acid. It is a POOR choice for coin
holders.

They should be sticking with polyethylene, polypropylene, polystyrene,
Mylar D tm (polyethylene terephthalate), Kodar tm (similar to Mylar D tm),
and Plexiglas tm (polymethyl methacrylate).

Under what conditions will PVC release HCl?

Holy smokes, it's on fire! Were's my gas mask?

Don B

"Charles R. Kaiser" wrote in message
...
Mr. Jaggers wrote:

Under what conditions will PVC release HCl?

PVC will outgas HCl under electromagnetic irradiation and even when
irradiated with white light. Chlorinated plastics decompose at elevated
temperatures and under elevated levels of UV with the release of gaseous
HCl.

So if you were to send your coins out to be slabbed by a company that used
PVC holders, and the Department of Homeland Security decided that they
needed to bombard your shipment with electromagnetic radiation to kill off
some supposed threat (it's happened! See Feb. 18 2002 issue of Coin World)
there go your coins!

I will stand corrected, provided that all the other materials you listed are
impervious to all these conditions.

Mr. Jaggers