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Algiers: WWII question
Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg |
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Algiers: WWII question
TL schrieb:
Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg hi the postmark on the top two stamps ends clearly in R A and not RP. RA stand for République algérienne. the mark on the left bottom stamps, looks like a big X, to mark that the letter has NOT been transported by air mail - this is my explanation. regards peter |
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Algiers: WWII question
R.P. stands for Recette Principale, meaning General or Head Post Office. It
is difficult to read the postmark and the dark area on the lower left of the envelope. Could you post an enlarged view and with less exposure? for some reason, Paint Shop Pro could not accept the format of the message, although I thought that .jpg was OK. Tony "TL" wrote in message oups.com... Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Algiers: WWII question
Tony,
Here is a 3.2 MB scan: http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers.jpg It is fresh from photoshop. thanks, TL A.E. Gelat wrote: R.P. stands for Recette Principale, meaning General or Head Post Office. It is difficult to read the postmark and the dark area on the lower left of the envelope. Could you post an enlarged view and with less exposure? for some reason, Paint Shop Pro could not accept the format of the message, although I thought that .jpg was OK. Tony "TL" wrote in message oups.com... Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg |
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Algiers: WWII question
TL wrote:
A.E. Gelat wrote: R.P. stands for Recette Principale, meaning General or Head Post Office. It is difficult to read the postmark and the dark area on the lower left of the envelope. Could you post an enlarged view and with less exposure? for some reason, Paint Shop Pro could not accept the format of the message, although I thought that .jpg was OK. Tony, Here is a 3.2 MB scan: http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers.jpg It is fresh from photoshop. thanks, TL I concur with Tony for R.P. ;-) I would say the bottom part of the cancels ends with an R. Normally this zone indicates the district (département). There were three of them in french Algeria: Alger, Constantine, Oran, named after their main city. So my best guess, here, is ALGER R.P. / ALGER -- Best regards, Bruno |
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Algiers: WWII question
I agree with Tony, it is an R.P. cancel over the top stamps. I have
uploaded a split-channel image (with increased saturation) that makes it clearly legible. http://cjoint.com/data/lDxqBfUYFI.htm G.P.O. is a very good equivalent of R.P., however, I have also seen "recette principale" used to mean "main delivery" where a mailroom has a "main delivery" at, say, 10 am and then other incidental deliveries at other unscheduled times. In federal government mailrooms here in Ottawa I have seen this arrangement referred to also as e.g. "réception principale à 08h00". -- Tony Vella (Ottawa, Canada) http://indian-biographies.shorturl.com/ "A.E. Gelat" wrote in message ... R.P. stands for Recette Principale, meaning General or Head Post Office. It is difficult to read the postmark and the dark area on the lower left of the envelope. Could you post an enlarged view and with less exposure? for some reason, Paint Shop Pro could not accept the format of the message, although I thought that .jpg was OK. Tony "TL" wrote in message oups.com... Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Algiers: WWII question
Peter, sorry to disagree. there never WAS a Republique Algerienne (not
until after independence in 1962). The six (?) provinces on the Mediterranean Sea were considered an integral art of France. Tony "Peter" wrote in message ... TL schrieb: Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg hi the postmark on the top two stamps ends clearly in R A and not RP. RA stand for République algérienne. the mark on the left bottom stamps, looks like a big X, to mark that the letter has NOT been transported by air mail - this is my explanation. regards peter ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Algiers: WWII question
Thanks, this confirms that it is R. P. It is difficult to identify the blue
stamps on the lower left. I think they may be the 1F50 value of the long 1936 set, SG Simplified 128. Tony "TL" wrote in message ups.com... Tony, Here is a 3.2 MB scan: http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers.jpg It is fresh from photoshop. thanks, TL A.E. Gelat wrote: R.P. stands for Recette Principale, meaning General or Head Post Office. It is difficult to read the postmark and the dark area on the lower left of the envelope. Could you post an enlarged view and with less exposure? for some reason, Paint Shop Pro could not accept the format of the message, although I thought that .jpg was OK. Tony "TL" wrote in message oups.com... Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Algiers: WWII question
Well, Thanks all; Tony V., Tony G., Bruno, Peter for your input into
this cover. The lower blue stamp looks actually abraded to remove the cancel, a very determined hiding of the origin but odd since the stamps tell a similar story. This all ties into my other question about censoring since it seems I have covers from the same period that aren't censored. Regards, TL A.E. Gelat wrote: Thanks, this confirms that it is R. P. It is difficult to identify the blue stamps on the lower left. I think they may be the 1F50 value of the long 1936 set, SG Simplified 128. Tony "TL" wrote in message ups.com... Tony, Here is a 3.2 MB scan: http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers.jpg It is fresh from photoshop. thanks, TL A.E. Gelat wrote: R.P. stands for Recette Principale, meaning General or Head Post Office. It is difficult to read the postmark and the dark area on the lower left of the envelope. Could you post an enlarged view and with less exposure? for some reason, Paint Shop Pro could not accept the format of the message, although I thought that .jpg was OK. Tony "TL" wrote in message oups.com... Here is a heavily censored postmark by US Army censor but the same postmark on the upper 2 stamps is partly visible ending in "R. P." and on the bottom it looks like it ends in "Y". Can anyone tell from these letters what the origin of the letter is. I can put up a larger scan if necessary. Thanks, TL http://cover.home.mindspring.com/11-28/algiers001.jpg ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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