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[Question] London cancel, 1877
About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge,
the date is 1877. I think this is from central London. But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on the net ? http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv Thanks for any info ! -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
I have it that the bar lozenge was used in the London office
and used for general postage. I have 95 as used by "Alford" I certainly would suggest you have this info confirmed by a specialist however Are you able to discern the Perfin structure? "bc92" wrote in message news About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge, the date is 1877. I think this is from central London. But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on the net ? http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv Thanks for any info ! -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
Your perfin shows punctures similar to this design of "and S" or "and sons" (The "and" shape is quite distinctive) There are not sufficient punctures to discern the top letters (well, that match any of my perfins) http://cjoint.com/data/ffaHdtYbXU.htm HTH "bc92" wrote in message news About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge, the date is 1877. I think this is from central London. But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on the net ? http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv Thanks for any info ! -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
Correction,
the perfin shows "S and" not "and S" which should narrow the field considerably Your perfin shows punctures similar to this design of "and S" or "and sons" (The "and" shape is quite distinctive) There are not sufficient punctures to discern the top letters (well, that match any of my perfins) http://cjoint.com/data/ffaHdtYbXU.htm HTH "bc92" wrote in message news About a London oval cancel with bars and 95 in a lozenge, the date is 1877. I think this is from central London. But which post office ? Is this kind of info available on the net ? http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv Thanks for any info ! -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
Rod wrote:
Correction, the perfin shows "S and" not "and S" which should narrow the field considerably http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv Thanks Rod, :-) So the bar lozenge 95 would mean Alford. Could anybody help me to locate that Alford. My internet map service gives several locations in London. About the perfin, I make it "S and CH" ? which doesn't mean much to me. -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
Alford is in Lincolnshire, but that's not where
your postmark is from. No. 95 = Alford is only for the 1844 style postmark (horizontal barred oval without accompanying daestamp). Alford does not appear in any other list of postmarks, so the office may have been closed prior to 1874. Your postmark is the type used at the London Inland Office, and the numbers do not indicate locations but merely indicate different stamps used in the same building. Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi www.jaypex.com In article , lid says... Rod wrote: Correction, the perfin shows "S and" not "and S" which should narrow the field considerably http://cjoint.com/?feqRi3wJLv Thanks Rod, :-) So the bar lozenge 95 would mean Alford. Could anybody help me to locate that Alford. My internet map service gives several locations in London. About the perfin, I make it "S and CH" ? which doesn't mean much to me. -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
Jay T. Carrigan wrote:
Alford is in Lincolnshire, but that's not where your postmark is from. No. 95 = Alford is only for the 1844 style postmark (horizontal barred oval without accompanying daestamp). Alford does not appear in any other list of postmarks, so the office may have been closed prior to 1874. Your postmark is the type used at the London Inland Office, and the numbers do not indicate locations but merely indicate different stamps used in the same building. Jay Carrigan change domain to mchsi www.jaypex.com Thanks a lot, Jay, and I had come to the same conclusion, 10 minutes ago, after some googling in rcsd archives (of course I should have started there). I also guess the province offices were ordered in alphabetical order (at least at the beginning), so Alford gets a low number. About the perfin, still interested. -- Best regards, Bruno |
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[Question] London cancel, 1877
Newsgroups at their best I've learnt something here also. From what I make out though, both the London district and country numbers are not in Alpha order, probably in order of canceller production? Thanks a lot, Jay, and I had come to the same conclusion, 10 minutes ago, after some googling in rcsd archives (of course I should have started there). I also guess the province offices were ordered in alphabetical order (at least at the beginning), so Alford gets a low number. About the perfin, still interested. -- Best regards, Bruno |
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London cancel, 1877
S & HC might refer to the "Social and Health Care Directorate"
although I'm not positive that they were called that back in the 1800s. I was checking a company called S & HC Taylor (Opticians) but they were incorporated much later than the 1800s. There are a number of companies called S & H in the UK, INCLUDING: S. & H, CONTRACTS LIMITED, ESSEX (2005) S. & H. CONSTRUCTION (BEDFORD) LIMITED (1983) S. & H. COOPER & CO (ENNISKILLEN) LIMITED (1991) but these have been eliminated as they post-date the 1800s. |
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London cancel, 1877
There are a couple of curiosities with this perfin
as I see it. (from memory, as I no longer have a print out of the scan) If one rotates the image and has QV lying on her back reading right to left. The perfin is evidenced sideways, this is unusual in my experience, The gap between the character puncture groups are quite wide and obviously very badly centred. The then top rhs of the stamp is missing, probably ripped from puncture holes of further letters of the perfin. The entire occurrence on this stamp may be so badly displaced that one is reading "two halves" of a perfin group, that then need to be seen in correct perspective. eg: cut the stamp image in half and swap the LHS to the RHS This is just an observation, but may explain the wide gaps. Sheets were often folded, so the matrix and centreing of all perfins resulted in wide varieties. Perfin images are hard to find, the discipline is not widely archived for consultation on the web, joing a UK group may be the only avenue. If one decides to accept "H C" there is still a puncture hole on the rhs of the H indicating a further character -- pookiethai at iprimus.com.au "Blair (TC)" wrote in message oups.com... | S & HC might refer to the "Social and Health Care Directorate" | although I'm not positive that they were called that back in the 1800s. | | I was checking a company called S & HC Taylor (Opticians) | but they were incorporated much later than the 1800s. | | There are a number of companies called S & H in the UK, | INCLUDING: | | S. & H, CONTRACTS LIMITED, ESSEX (2005) | S. & H. CONSTRUCTION (BEDFORD) LIMITED (1983) | S. & H. COOPER & CO (ENNISKILLEN) LIMITED (1991) | | but these have been eliminated as they post-date the 1800s. | |
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