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Yeah, well, I do post a lot and can see where people think poorly of
that... but I do help this group a lot or at least try to...so getting ripped for it is not cool. But that's life I guess. PS we were discussing Styx... about the song "Babe" and the fact the group doesn't have rights to sing it at concerts. Sad for the fans. We were also talking of all the concerts we've been to, they are almost one of the best...very entertaining. Rod Stewart was too; a big stage act; change in music and dress and sets. But Styx seems to ENJOY it. Unlike some of the older groups like Beach Boys, Monkees, B-52's, Survivor etc On 15 Mar 2006 04:32:07 -0800, "tarkusshadow" wrote: "I do have a lot of time on my hands" Kinda reminds me of a Styx song! haha Thanks for the information Sue! :-) |
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no, no, no. it says ANY REPRODUCTION...meaning in any way or form. then
it says any kind of rebroadcast. look at it, the language it uses means EVERY TYPE of reproduction. and it says for any reason. it's seriously keeps it so they could sue you...but the implications are arrest. mike |
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Well, I don't know; haven't seen one lately that I paid attention to.
But if that's the case, we're ALL in trouble; and all your photos... probably copies too on Ebay right? Reprints? Be careful as the email I got said their main focus was Ebay dealers. They gave me a list which I posted. But that's all I'll do because I don't agree with the whole thing because: Fan mail is part of life and the celebs don't want to foot the bill...so either they foot the bill and provide photos, which a lot won't do because of cost, or we send stuff. And there's only so much out there and there are no opportunities to get stuff from most of the ones I personally write to. It's screen caps or jpgs from the net for me. On 15 Mar 2006 08:22:11 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: no, no, no. it says ANY REPRODUCTION...meaning in any way or form. then it says any kind of rebroadcast. look at it, the language it uses means EVERY TYPE of reproduction. and it says for any reason. it's seriously keeps it so they could sue you...but the implications are arrest. mike |
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dude...NOTHING i sell is liscensed...the unsigned photos...there's no
law against it...but if a production company has my stuff veroed (usually warner bros. items) then i have no legs to stand on... now..and here's a true legal thing... once an item is signed, it's a piece of memorabilia, and the licensed/unlicensed thing goes out the window...because the liscensing is an individual thing. the person signing is basically giving you permission to use it in any way you want to at that point. that's been the case in sports litigation for years. it's the main reason why some players will only sign licensed photos ( jeff gordon is one, and apparently, that's only an in the mail thing- cause he signs unlicensed items in person, but limits it- he's actually told me that if i had liscensed photos, he'd sign more). now, on my press kits, there is nothing about not reproducing the images as making a photo directly from a press kit is basically promotion- at my cost. but if they push the isue, yes, i have a problem. i don't think there's anything they can do to me legally. but they can keep me from selling..and companies like officialpix actually has the licensing for star wars photos and can actually make a real issue of it if they want to. so i stopped selling star wars photos on ebay. it's all quite grey. but i am sure ebay is just trying to keep a watch on any legal problems...like i always say, they may be a super rich company, but they are 1 major lawsuit away from being shut down completely. i think ebay is treading a fine line as it is. if they get sued for something substantial, the whole structure would come down as lawsuits would fly in from everywhere where someone feels they've been done wrong as a result of an ebay transaction...so if they shut it down, they will...but i thought this thread was more that you were getting notices saying that people weren't allowed to sign unlicensed material...not an ebay thing. and this all goes down to the publicists and studio execs putting their hands into everything, even taking stuff away from their talent. if the talent doesn't stand up for the stuff, then you really have no choices. but talent has so much on their plates, they don't care about studio fan mail issues, or fan mail in general unless it finds their way to them directly. another reason why i say that most of the TTM's are secretarial...the stuff people send to a "celebrity" goes through so many hands before it finally arrives at celebrity A, that there's a strong possibility that no one wants to bother celebrity A with it, so they take care of it themselves. thinking it's part of the duty they perform to celebrity A. i mean, if you want to look at the legit arguments i've put up in the past saying that most TTM are fake, i think that on a daily basis, someone else posts up a reason that what i said is true. it's just that when i say something, someone else just wants to fly off the handle and doesn't think of things rationally... let's just put it this way, ROBERT PATRICK just said that he has "someone who handles thaat." so does that mean if you write to robert patrick, you re going to get a fake??? not necessarily, but i bet odd are that you are not getting robert patrick's autograph...if someone like robert patrick (i know he had his moment) has someone handling his minimal fan mail, imagine who's really not taking care of their mail at all... that's not saying all of it is...i have posted on here that i've seen celebrities carrying their fan mail with the intention of signing it (i think i posted that matt kenseth once asked my wife for a sharpie so he could take care of his fan mail that night before he went to bed- it was late and staples and all that were probably closed at that point). sorry to change the point of the thread...but i think you can easily see my point...you can't guarantee that something is real if you didn't see it getting signed. especially TTM signatures, cause there's no one out there watching that. mike |
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I can't say I agree with it. There are laws against it. Their called
copyright infringement. And once a celeb signs it, it's now just a signed piece of copyright violation. So you're telling me that YOU can reprint any copyrighted material and sell it but I can't copy a photo from a DVD I paid for, for personal use? I don't think you are hearing yourself speak; you have contradicted yourself. I also don't think that you are interpreting things properly. Seems you interpret what you want so it suits your case and nobody else. Personally, you copying a licensed Star Wars photo for resale that you didn't pay for and selling it for profit and me making a paid for DVD screen capture for my private use (not selling it as you did), I would venture to say us standing side by side in a courtroom, YOU would go to jail in about 30 seconds, while technically I might be guilty too, but I'd have a lot more defense than you! No offense, but it's just common sense to me...it's about the sales of the reprinted material first and foremost. On 15 Mar 2006 10:40:34 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: dude...NOTHING i sell is liscensed...the unsigned photos...there's no law against it...but if a production company has my stuff veroed (usually warner bros. items) then i have no legs to stand on... now..and here's a true legal thing... once an item is signed, it's a piece of memorabilia, and the licensed/unlicensed thing goes out the window...because the liscensing is an individual thing. the person signing is basically giving you permission to use it in any way you want to at that point. that's been the case in sports litigation for years. it's the main reason why some players will only sign licensed photos ( jeff gordon is one, and apparently, that's only an in the mail thing- cause he signs unlicensed items in person, but limits it- he's actually told me that if i had liscensed photos, he'd sign more). now, on my press kits, there is nothing about not reproducing the images as making a photo directly from a press kit is basically promotion- at my cost. but if they push the isue, yes, i have a problem. i don't think there's anything they can do to me legally. but they can keep me from selling..and companies like officialpix actually has the licensing for star wars photos and can actually make a real issue of it if they want to. so i stopped selling star wars photos on ebay. it's all quite grey. but i am sure ebay is just trying to keep a watch on any legal problems...like i always say, they may be a super rich company, but they are 1 major lawsuit away from being shut down completely. i think ebay is treading a fine line as it is. if they get sued for something substantial, the whole structure would come down as lawsuits would fly in from everywhere where someone feels they've been done wrong as a result of an ebay transaction...so if they shut it down, they will...but i thought this thread was more that you were getting notices saying that people weren't allowed to sign unlicensed material...not an ebay thing. and this all goes down to the publicists and studio execs putting their hands into everything, even taking stuff away from their talent. if the talent doesn't stand up for the stuff, then you really have no choices. but talent has so much on their plates, they don't care about studio fan mail issues, or fan mail in general unless it finds their way to them directly. another reason why i say that most of the TTM's are secretarial...the stuff people send to a "celebrity" goes through so many hands before it finally arrives at celebrity A, that there's a strong possibility that no one wants to bother celebrity A with it, so they take care of it themselves. thinking it's part of the duty they perform to celebrity A. i mean, if you want to look at the legit arguments i've put up in the past saying that most TTM are fake, i think that on a daily basis, someone else posts up a reason that what i said is true. it's just that when i say something, someone else just wants to fly off the handle and doesn't think of things rationally... let's just put it this way, ROBERT PATRICK just said that he has "someone who handles thaat." so does that mean if you write to robert patrick, you re going to get a fake??? not necessarily, but i bet odd are that you are not getting robert patrick's autograph...if someone like robert patrick (i know he had his moment) has someone handling his minimal fan mail, imagine who's really not taking care of their mail at all... that's not saying all of it is...i have posted on here that i've seen celebrities carrying their fan mail with the intention of signing it (i think i posted that matt kenseth once asked my wife for a sharpie so he could take care of his fan mail that night before he went to bed- it was late and staples and all that were probably closed at that point). sorry to change the point of the thread...but i think you can easily see my point...you can't guarantee that something is real if you didn't see it getting signed. especially TTM signatures, cause there's no one out there watching that. mike |
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PS It always seems that you are always adding ttm successes are
secretarial. We weren't even on that subject, but again it's brought up. So here we go round and round. I would say 95% or more of my ttm successes are legit. Then again, I am not contacting Alist celebs ... you really need to tread lightly here. It's only Alist celebs pretty much where this secretarial thing happens (occasionally elsewhere, but very little). You keep lumping everything into one category. You just can't do that. On 15 Mar 2006 10:40:34 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: dude...NOTHING i sell is liscensed...the unsigned photos...there's no law against it...but if a production company has my stuff veroed (usually warner bros. items) then i have no legs to stand on... now..and here's a true legal thing... once an item is signed, it's a piece of memorabilia, and the licensed/unlicensed thing goes out the window...because the liscensing is an individual thing. the person signing is basically giving you permission to use it in any way you want to at that point. that's been the case in sports litigation for years. it's the main reason why some players will only sign licensed photos ( jeff gordon is one, and apparently, that's only an in the mail thing- cause he signs unlicensed items in person, but limits it- he's actually told me that if i had liscensed photos, he'd sign more). now, on my press kits, there is nothing about not reproducing the images as making a photo directly from a press kit is basically promotion- at my cost. but if they push the isue, yes, i have a problem. i don't think there's anything they can do to me legally. but they can keep me from selling..and companies like officialpix actually has the licensing for star wars photos and can actually make a real issue of it if they want to. so i stopped selling star wars photos on ebay. it's all quite grey. but i am sure ebay is just trying to keep a watch on any legal problems...like i always say, they may be a super rich company, but they are 1 major lawsuit away from being shut down completely. i think ebay is treading a fine line as it is. if they get sued for something substantial, the whole structure would come down as lawsuits would fly in from everywhere where someone feels they've been done wrong as a result of an ebay transaction...so if they shut it down, they will...but i thought this thread was more that you were getting notices saying that people weren't allowed to sign unlicensed material...not an ebay thing. and this all goes down to the publicists and studio execs putting their hands into everything, even taking stuff away from their talent. if the talent doesn't stand up for the stuff, then you really have no choices. but talent has so much on their plates, they don't care about studio fan mail issues, or fan mail in general unless it finds their way to them directly. another reason why i say that most of the TTM's are secretarial...the stuff people send to a "celebrity" goes through so many hands before it finally arrives at celebrity A, that there's a strong possibility that no one wants to bother celebrity A with it, so they take care of it themselves. thinking it's part of the duty they perform to celebrity A. i mean, if you want to look at the legit arguments i've put up in the past saying that most TTM are fake, i think that on a daily basis, someone else posts up a reason that what i said is true. it's just that when i say something, someone else just wants to fly off the handle and doesn't think of things rationally... let's just put it this way, ROBERT PATRICK just said that he has "someone who handles thaat." so does that mean if you write to robert patrick, you re going to get a fake??? not necessarily, but i bet odd are that you are not getting robert patrick's autograph...if someone like robert patrick (i know he had his moment) has someone handling his minimal fan mail, imagine who's really not taking care of their mail at all... that's not saying all of it is...i have posted on here that i've seen celebrities carrying their fan mail with the intention of signing it (i think i posted that matt kenseth once asked my wife for a sharpie so he could take care of his fan mail that night before he went to bed- it was late and staples and all that were probably closed at that point). sorry to change the point of the thread...but i think you can easily see my point...you can't guarantee that something is real if you didn't see it getting signed. especially TTM signatures, cause there's no one out there watching that. mike |
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AMEN!
As much as I used to respect barefoots opinion this 'most TTM are fake" is really turning me off. Its becoming quite transparent that he just thinks hes hot **** because he can get stuff in-person. (IMHO) I won't lie, I would love to be able to get the autographs I want in-person but some of us save up just to afford to send photos let alone trying to travel to all these different conventions and premieres. He e-mailed me in the past about stuff on my site and I conceded some the first autos I bought were possibly fake and I change the listing on the site. During those emails he was reasonable and I made an effort to do the same. However, this constant ranting about TTM collecting have just about got him plonked during the last several fights. He insists that everything TTM is fake because you don't see them sign but thats exactly what hes doing, judging autographs sometimes with out seeing them. A celebrity saying he doesn't sign doesn't mean that everything is fake. It just decreases the odds. Celebrity signatures and signing habits change over time. I hate to bring up that infamous name but John Travolta said a couple years ago in an interview that I have on tape somewhere in my 3000+tape collection that he signed when he has time. But according to barefoot he said in another interview that he never signs. Its not that I don't believe him necessarily, this just proves my point that signing habits change! That all said, It doesn't surprise me that ALOT of the A listers are going to send secretarial if at all. Its pretty obvious that someone like Jim Carrey isn't going to give a ****. But some of the more unknowns and "has-beens" are going to give much better results. Of the last two I sent too, one returned an extra photo answering a question I asked with a two page letter and the other I'm currently corresponding with via e-mail. They must just be going through alot of trouble for a secretarial? "Sue H" wrote in message ... PS It always seems that you are always adding ttm successes are secretarial. We weren't even on that subject, but again it's brought up. So here we go round and round. I would say 95% or more of my ttm successes are legit. Then again, I am not contacting Alist celebs ... you really need to tread lightly here. It's only Alist celebs pretty much where this secretarial thing happens (occasionally elsewhere, but very little). You keep lumping everything into one category. You just can't do that. On 15 Mar 2006 10:40:34 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: dude...NOTHING i sell is liscensed...the unsigned photos...there's no law against it...but if a production company has my stuff veroed (usually warner bros. items) then i have no legs to stand on... now..and here's a true legal thing... once an item is signed, it's a piece of memorabilia, and the licensed/unlicensed thing goes out the window...because the liscensing is an individual thing. the person signing is basically giving you permission to use it in any way you want to at that point. that's been the case in sports litigation for years. it's the main reason why some players will only sign licensed photos ( jeff gordon is one, and apparently, that's only an in the mail thing- cause he signs unlicensed items in person, but limits it- he's actually told me that if i had liscensed photos, he'd sign more). now, on my press kits, there is nothing about not reproducing the images as making a photo directly from a press kit is basically promotion- at my cost. but if they push the isue, yes, i have a problem. i don't think there's anything they can do to me legally. but they can keep me from selling..and companies like officialpix actually has the licensing for star wars photos and can actually make a real issue of it if they want to. so i stopped selling star wars photos on ebay. it's all quite grey. but i am sure ebay is just trying to keep a watch on any legal problems...like i always say, they may be a super rich company, but they are 1 major lawsuit away from being shut down completely. i think ebay is treading a fine line as it is. if they get sued for something substantial, the whole structure would come down as lawsuits would fly in from everywhere where someone feels they've been done wrong as a result of an ebay transaction...so if they shut it down, they will...but i thought this thread was more that you were getting notices saying that people weren't allowed to sign unlicensed material...not an ebay thing. and this all goes down to the publicists and studio execs putting their hands into everything, even taking stuff away from their talent. if the talent doesn't stand up for the stuff, then you really have no choices. but talent has so much on their plates, they don't care about studio fan mail issues, or fan mail in general unless it finds their way to them directly. another reason why i say that most of the TTM's are secretarial...the stuff people send to a "celebrity" goes through so many hands before it finally arrives at celebrity A, that there's a strong possibility that no one wants to bother celebrity A with it, so they take care of it themselves. thinking it's part of the duty they perform to celebrity A. i mean, if you want to look at the legit arguments i've put up in the past saying that most TTM are fake, i think that on a daily basis, someone else posts up a reason that what i said is true. it's just that when i say something, someone else just wants to fly off the handle and doesn't think of things rationally... let's just put it this way, ROBERT PATRICK just said that he has "someone who handles thaat." so does that mean if you write to robert patrick, you re going to get a fake??? not necessarily, but i bet odd are that you are not getting robert patrick's autograph...if someone like robert patrick (i know he had his moment) has someone handling his minimal fan mail, imagine who's really not taking care of their mail at all... that's not saying all of it is...i have posted on here that i've seen celebrities carrying their fan mail with the intention of signing it (i think i posted that matt kenseth once asked my wife for a sharpie so he could take care of his fan mail that night before he went to bed- it was late and staples and all that were probably closed at that point). sorry to change the point of the thread...but i think you can easily see my point...you can't guarantee that something is real if you didn't see it getting signed. especially TTM signatures, cause there's no one out there watching that. mike |
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I gotta say if everything was secretarial, they'd all be signed on the
front sides, in nice areas with nice pens most likely as "secretaries" do things to make their bosses look good and also themselves. Also, notes on many items... that's above and beyond. Also handwritten envelopes back (their address in the upper right); sometimes from different addresses, meaning they got the mail and went somewhere else and signed it...it didn't come out of the mailroom and go back out. That's way out of the norm for a secretarial, so you can probably rest assured all these are legit. For example, today I got a Harry Potter one. In it, a printout with behind the scene photo of the others in her group with handwritten notes on it in ballpoint as to who was who and that one was missing because it was cold and he went to go get coffee. No way that's a secretarial...and under her photo, it said "me!". Anyway, if you (you being generic meaning anyone) are writing to Al Pacino, Travolta, Oprah, Tom Cruise anyone who is SO huge they don't have a moment's spare time or who is SO huge in the fan mail department (ie Orlando Bloom, Lindsay Lohan) that you can't possibly handle it, you gotta suspect a secretarial. But even SOME of those will want to hear some of their mail and might pick out special ones. Nobody here would probably constitute "special" most likely, but I believe they do read their mail. Again, I reiterate the Victoria Gotti mail episode with the doll and her comments on mail.... she reads them all and responds to some and even calls people. Others who are nice like Tom Cruise and Tom Hanks I think WOULD answer their fan mail if it was humanly possible. But they can't. Usually, celebs who would like to answer but can't do one of two things: Preprints/autopens or NOTHING (not to choose one over the other). Most do NOT use secretaries if they are the huge celebs with tons of cash. I think the ones that do use secretaries want to give people an illusion. They usually Alist celebs (or Blister celebs with enough money to employ one or more assistants) who don't want to disappoint fans and who need to give their assistant something to do on a slow day. If you hear of a couple Travolta sigs about the same time ttm where he doesn't normally sign at all or sends PP's say, and the people are respected who got it, then I would venture to say that it's real. One doesn't normally tell an assistant to sign two but forget everyone else... Just my two cents, but I am trying to look at this logically. I hope I am being logical anyway! On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 22:31:57 GMT, "SBFan2000" wrote: AMEN! As much as I used to respect barefoots opinion this 'most TTM are fake" is really turning me off. Its becoming quite transparent that he just thinks hes hot **** because he can get stuff in-person. (IMHO) I won't lie, I would love to be able to get the autographs I want in-person but some of us save up just to afford to send photos let alone trying to travel to all these different conventions and premieres. He e-mailed me in the past about stuff on my site and I conceded some the first autos I bought were possibly fake and I change the listing on the site. During those emails he was reasonable and I made an effort to do the same. However, this constant ranting about TTM collecting have just about got him plonked during the last several fights. He insists that everything TTM is fake because you don't see them sign but thats exactly what hes doing, judging autographs sometimes with out seeing them. A celebrity saying he doesn't sign doesn't mean that everything is fake. It just decreases the odds. Celebrity signatures and signing habits change over time. I hate to bring up that infamous name but John Travolta said a couple years ago in an interview that I have on tape somewhere in my 3000+tape collection that he signed when he has time. But according to barefoot he said in another interview that he never signs. Its not that I don't believe him necessarily, this just proves my point that signing habits change! That all said, It doesn't surprise me that ALOT of the A listers are going to send secretarial if at all. Its pretty obvious that someone like Jim Carrey isn't going to give a ****. But some of the more unknowns and "has-beens" are going to give much better results. Of the last two I sent too, one returned an extra photo answering a question I asked with a two page letter and the other I'm currently corresponding with via e-mail. They must just be going through alot of trouble for a secretarial? "Sue H" wrote in message .. . PS It always seems that you are always adding ttm successes are secretarial. We weren't even on that subject, but again it's brought up. So here we go round and round. I would say 95% or more of my ttm successes are legit. Then again, I am not contacting Alist celebs ... you really need to tread lightly here. It's only Alist celebs pretty much where this secretarial thing happens (occasionally elsewhere, but very little). You keep lumping everything into one category. You just can't do that. On 15 Mar 2006 10:40:34 -0800, "barefoot" wrote: dude...NOTHING i sell is liscensed...the unsigned photos...there's no law against it...but if a production company has my stuff veroed (usually warner bros. items) then i have no legs to stand on... now..and here's a true legal thing... once an item is signed, it's a piece of memorabilia, and the licensed/unlicensed thing goes out the window...because the liscensing is an individual thing. the person signing is basically giving you permission to use it in any way you want to at that point. that's been the case in sports litigation for years. it's the main reason why some players will only sign licensed photos ( jeff gordon is one, and apparently, that's only an in the mail thing- cause he signs unlicensed items in person, but limits it- he's actually told me that if i had liscensed photos, he'd sign more). now, on my press kits, there is nothing about not reproducing the images as making a photo directly from a press kit is basically promotion- at my cost. but if they push the isue, yes, i have a problem. i don't think there's anything they can do to me legally. but they can keep me from selling..and companies like officialpix actually has the licensing for star wars photos and can actually make a real issue of it if they want to. so i stopped selling star wars photos on ebay. it's all quite grey. but i am sure ebay is just trying to keep a watch on any legal problems...like i always say, they may be a super rich company, but they are 1 major lawsuit away from being shut down completely. i think ebay is treading a fine line as it is. if they get sued for something substantial, the whole structure would come down as lawsuits would fly in from everywhere where someone feels they've been done wrong as a result of an ebay transaction...so if they shut it down, they will...but i thought this thread was more that you were getting notices saying that people weren't allowed to sign unlicensed material...not an ebay thing. and this all goes down to the publicists and studio execs putting their hands into everything, even taking stuff away from their talent. if the talent doesn't stand up for the stuff, then you really have no choices. but talent has so much on their plates, they don't care about studio fan mail issues, or fan mail in general unless it finds their way to them directly. another reason why i say that most of the TTM's are secretarial...the stuff people send to a "celebrity" goes through so many hands before it finally arrives at celebrity A, that there's a strong possibility that no one wants to bother celebrity A with it, so they take care of it themselves. thinking it's part of the duty they perform to celebrity A. i mean, if you want to look at the legit arguments i've put up in the past saying that most TTM are fake, i think that on a daily basis, someone else posts up a reason that what i said is true. it's just that when i say something, someone else just wants to fly off the handle and doesn't think of things rationally... let's just put it this way, ROBERT PATRICK just said that he has "someone who handles thaat." so does that mean if you write to robert patrick, you re going to get a fake??? not necessarily, but i bet odd are that you are not getting robert patrick's autograph...if someone like robert patrick (i know he had his moment) has someone handling his minimal fan mail, imagine who's really not taking care of their mail at all... that's not saying all of it is...i have posted on here that i've seen celebrities carrying their fan mail with the intention of signing it (i think i posted that matt kenseth once asked my wife for a sharpie so he could take care of his fan mail that night before he went to bed- it was late and staples and all that were probably closed at that point). sorry to change the point of the thread...but i think you can easily see my point...you can't guarantee that something is real if you didn't see it getting signed. especially TTM signatures, cause there's no one out there watching that. mike |
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I know in the 70's and 80's Liza had a secretary who read her mail and
gave the nice ones to Liza and she signed them. At least this is what her fan club president (official) said. I've also received things that look like someone else may have read them and then passed them on (one picture came with a post it note with my name on it in one handwriting and the photo was signed in another. The star probably didn't read my letter but it was probably sent along.) |
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I've had a couple of these as well. It makes it look like an assitant read
the letter thought it was "worthy" and put your name on a post-it so the celeb knows who to sign it to. "UnionBoi" wrote in message oups.com... I know in the 70's and 80's Liza had a secretary who read her mail and gave the nice ones to Liza and she signed them. At least this is what her fan club president (official) said. I've also received things that look like someone else may have read them and then passed them on (one picture came with a post it note with my name on it in one handwriting and the photo was signed in another. The star probably didn't read my letter but it was probably sent along.) |
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