GB: Queen Victoria 2s/6d overprinted with 12 PIASTRES

I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

Thanks.

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Stephen Stokes wrote:
I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

Thanks.

Since you mention SG, try British Levant #3.
There is a white paper (45£), but the jackpot is the bluish paper
(275£).
There is also (rather often I guess) a small second s in "piastres".
Hth

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Kind regards,
Bruno

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(Stephen Stokes) writes:


I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

That would appear to be the 1885 issue for use in Turkey. Scott lists it as
number 3, which unfortunately has much less value than the basic stamp without
overprint (seems odd). More valuable if it is on bluish paper (as is true for
the basic stamp also).

I do not have a current catalogue in front of me, so have no current values.
The 1997 Scott values were $225 and $1600 without overprint, $35 and $250 with
overprint, for the white paper and bluish paper respectively.

Larry at Morro Bay, California (seaotter 6 at a o l dot c o m)(no spaces in
address)

There is nothing odd about an overprinted stamp having a lower price than
the unoverprinted one. When the overprinting was done, the basic stamp was
in current use. and in effect, the overprinting created two separate stamps.
The 2/6 British stamps continued in use in the UK, while the 12 piaster
stamps were put in use in the British Levant. With each having a life of
its own, its value would reflect the supply and demand for each.

Tony

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In article ,

(Stephen Stokes) writes:


I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

That would appear to be the 1885 issue for use in Turkey. Scott lists it
as
number 3, which unfortunately has much less value than the basic stamp
without
overprint (seems odd). More valuable if it is on bluish paper (as is true
for
the basic stamp also).

I do not have a current catalogue in front of me, so have no current
values.
The 1997 Scott values were $225 and $1600 without overprint, $35 and $250
with
overprint, for the white paper and bluish paper respectively.

Larry at Morro Bay, California (seaotter 6 at a o l dot c o m)(no spaces
in
address)

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In article ,
(Stephen Stokes) writes:


I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

That would appear to be the 1885 issue for use in Turkey. Scott lists it as
number 3, which unfortunately has much less value than the basic stamp without
overprint (seems odd).

Not at all. A good example is the Florence Gymnastics Festival issue by
Italy and Trieste Zone A.

Italy: 225,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 100 used 1200
Trieste: 70,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 20 used 67.50

It is a matter of demand here, rather than supply.


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.... I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure.

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In a recent message (Larry) wrote:

In article ,

(Stephen Stokes) writes:


I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

That would appear to be the 1885 issue for use in Turkey. Scott lists it
as
number 3, which unfortunately has much less value than the basic stamp
without
overprint (seems odd).

Not at all. A good example is the Florence Gymnastics Festival issue by
Italy and Trieste Zone A.

Italy: 225,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 100 used 1200
Trieste: 70,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 20 used 67.50

It is a matter of demand here, rather than supply.


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Tony Clayton or

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Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
... I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure.

Also of course not just the number printed of the overprinted stamp,
compared with the original, but the proportion of each that were used
commercially and largely lost to collectors. Overprinted stamps often
command a much greater attention and in such instances a rather higher
proprtion is hoarded by collectors and (misguided) investors.

Regards, Roger

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"Tony Clayton" wrote in message
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In a recent message (Larry) wrote:

In article ,

(Stephen Stokes) writes:


I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

That would appear to be the 1885 issue for use in Turkey. Scott lists it
as
number 3, which unfortunately has much less value than the basic stamp
without
overprint (seems odd).

Not at all. A good example is the Florence Gymnastics Festival issue by
Italy and Trieste Zone A.

Italy: 225,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 100 used 1200
Trieste: 70,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 20 used 67.50

It is a matter of demand here, rather than supply.


--
Tony Clayton or

Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html
Values of Coins of the UK :
http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html
Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html
Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
... I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure.

Also of course not just the number printed of the overprinted stamp,
compared with the original, but the proportion of each that were used
commercially and largely lost to collectors. Overprinted stamps often
command a much greater attention and in such instances a rather higher
proprtion is hoarded by collectors and (misguided) investors.

Regards, Roger


In this particular case restricted availablity meant that relatively
few of the Italy issue were actually used.

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.... On the other hand..you have five different fingers

For some reason British Postal Agencies in the Middle East to use an
all-embracing term have never been particularly popular among
collectors - especially mint. This is partly because mint remainders
of QE2 issues were particularly common from dealers in the 60s when I
was a junior collector,and probably got a sand-dune reputation before
such a term was known. I know that even at that tender age as an early
teenager I equated them with cto Rumania and Hungary which were also
particularly prevalent at the time and as there are still a number of
collectors of my vintage around the reputation has probably stuck. I
know that even now as an all-world collector I would not particularly
seek them out. Now - genuinely commercially used on identifiable
ex-pat business cover would be something else entirely.......
Malcolm






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In a recent message (Larry) wrote:

In article ,

(Stephen Stokes) writes:


I've acquired a mint Queen Victoria 2 Shilling 6d lilac stamp (looks
like SG #178) overprinted with "12 PIASTRES"

Does anybody know anything about this stamp such as where it would
have been used? I know a mint SG178 without overprint is catalogued at
around £400 sterling - what effect does the overprint have on this
stamp's value?

That would appear to be the 1885 issue for use in Turkey. Scott lists it
as
number 3, which unfortunately has much less value than the basic stamp
without
overprint (seems odd).

Not at all. A good example is the Florence Gymnastics Festival issue by
Italy and Trieste Zone A.

Italy: 225,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 100 used 1200
Trieste: 70,000 issued. Values in euro: Mint 20 used 67.50

It is a matter of demand here, rather than supply.


--
Tony Clayton or

Coins of the UK : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/coins.html
Values of Coins of the UK :
http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/values/coins.html
Metals used in Coins : http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/metal.html
Sent using RISC OS on an Acorn Strong Arm RiscPC
... I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not so sure.

Also of course not just the number printed of the overprinted stamp,
compared with the original, but the proportion of each that were used
commercially and largely lost to collectors. Overprinted stamps often
command a much greater attention and in such instances a rather higher
proprtion is hoarded by collectors and (misguided) investors.

Regards, Roger


In this particular case restricted availablity meant that relatively
few of the Italy issue were actually used.

Thanks for all the replies.