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Old July 22nd 08, 01:53 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
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Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? Any info/websites/book ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!
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Old July 22nd 08, 02:38 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Bob
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On Jul 21, 7:53�pm, wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? �Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? �Any info/websites/book ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!


To the best of my knowledge they were all destroyed. The details are
given in the Annual Reports of the Director of the Secret Service,
under items seized. These reports are not online (so far as I know,
though Google may have randomly digitized some), but the National
Archives and some major university libraries have them.

Counterfeits marked with a "X" may have been stamped by banks or
merchants.

Bob Leonard
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Old July 22nd 08, 04:27 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Honus[_3_]
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Default Counterfeiting in the 19th Century

Bob wrote:
On Jul 21, 7:53?pm, wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? ?Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? ?Any info/websites/book ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!


To the best of my knowledge they were all destroyed. The details are
given in the Annual Reports of the Director of the Secret Service,
under items seized. These reports are not online (so far as I know,
though Google may have randomly digitized some), but the National
Archives and some major university libraries have them.

Counterfeits marked with a "X" may have been stamped by banks or
merchants.


Just as a side note (pun intended) I have in my possession (may the powers
forgive me) a counterfeit $5 FRN that had been thoroughly defaced with one
of those counterfeit detection pens. I was looking through my bill
collection recently, and discovered that after a year or so every trace of
the "ink" has completely faded away. Collectors of notes might want to keep
that in mind.


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Old July 25th 08, 01:28 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
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Default Counterfeiting in the 19th Century

In article
, Bob
wrote:

On Jul 21, 7:53Ôø‡pm, wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? Ôø‡Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? Ôø‡Any info/websites/book ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!


To the best of my knowledge they were all destroyed. The details are
given in the Annual Reports of the Director of the Secret Service,
under items seized. These reports are not online (so far as I know,
though Google may have randomly digitized some), but the National
Archives and some major university libraries have them.

I believe that they keep at least a few as a reference collection, so
that they can determine if a newly-found fake is just leftover from an
old source or something new.
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Old July 25th 08, 01:47 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
John Mazor
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Default Counterfeiting in the 19th Century


"Slime Lowlife" wrote in message
...
In article
, Bob
wrote:

On Jul 21, 7:53Ôø?pm, wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? Ôø?Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? Ôø?Any info/websites/book ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!


To the best of my knowledge they were all destroyed. The details are
given in the Annual Reports of the Director of the Secret Service,
under items seized. These reports are not online (so far as I know,
though Google may have randomly digitized some), but the National
Archives and some major university libraries have them.

I believe that they keep at least a few as a reference collection, so
that they can determine if a newly-found fake is just leftover from an
old source or something new.


Back in the 1960s on a school tour of the FBI building (yes, FBI, not Secret Service) they
had a room full of display cases with examples of counterfeit money. Most of it was bills
but they had coins too. So it's reasonable to think that somewhere they keep specimens
for reference comparisons and PR use. Additional copies above and beyond those needs
probably are destroyed. At least I hope they are - why waste tax dollars guarding junk?


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Old July 25th 08, 01:56 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
Bruce Remick
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"John Mazor" wrote in message
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"Slime Lowlife" wrote in message
...
In article
, Bob
wrote:

On Jul 21, 7:53Ôø?pm, wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? Ôø?Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? Ôø?Any info/websites/book
ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!

To the best of my knowledge they were all destroyed. The details are
given in the Annual Reports of the Director of the Secret Service,
under items seized. These reports are not online (so far as I know,
though Google may have randomly digitized some), but the National
Archives and some major university libraries have them.

I believe that they keep at least a few as a reference collection, so
that they can determine if a newly-found fake is just leftover from an
old source or something new.


Back in the 1960s on a school tour of the FBI building (yes, FBI, not
Secret Service) they had a room full of display cases with examples of
counterfeit money. Most of it was bills but they had coins too. So it's
reasonable to think that somewhere they keep specimens for reference
comparisons and PR use. Additional copies above and beyond those needs
probably are destroyed. At least I hope they are - why waste tax dollars
guarding junk?


Back in the 1960's I paid more attention to the "Tommy gun show" they staged
in the basement at the end of each tour. Sure, I was a coin collector at
the time, but hey............


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Old July 25th 08, 02:14 AM posted to rec.collecting.coins
John Mazor
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"Bruce Remick" wrote in message ...

"John Mazor" wrote in message news:Yo9ik.580$5Q.169@trnddc06...

"Slime Lowlife" wrote in message
...
In article
, Bob
wrote:

On Jul 21, 7:53Ôø?pm, wrote:
Hi,

Does anyone know what were done to the coins that were collected by
the secret service? Ôø?Has anyone heard of any coins (American or not)
only being counter stamped with an "X"? Ôø?Any info/websites/book ideas
would be appreciated.

Thank you!

To the best of my knowledge they were all destroyed. The details are
given in the Annual Reports of the Director of the Secret Service,
under items seized. These reports are not online (so far as I know,
though Google may have randomly digitized some), but the National
Archives and some major university libraries have them.

I believe that they keep at least a few as a reference collection, so
that they can determine if a newly-found fake is just leftover from an
old source or something new.


Back in the 1960s on a school tour of the FBI building (yes, FBI, not Secret Service)
they had a room full of display cases with examples of counterfeit money. Most of it
was bills but they had coins too. So it's reasonable to think that somewhere they keep
specimens for reference comparisons and PR use. Additional copies above and beyond
those needs probably are destroyed. At least I hope they are - why waste tax dollars
guarding junk?


Back in the 1960's I paid more attention to the "Tommy gun show" they staged in the
basement at the end of each tour. Sure, I was a coin collector at the time, but
hey............


I was going to say the same thing (including being a collector then), but I already tend
to go off on too many tangents. It was far and away the coolest part of the trip.
Somewhere I may still have one of the spent .45 casings they handed out at the end. I
don't know about the girls in my class but the Fibbies definitely knew how to connect with
us young Y-chromosome types.

As the one who wrote our class thank you letter, I got and still have the reply that
Hoover sent back. It undoubtedly was signed with an autopen by his public affairs staff
but we all were duly impressed when it came in the mail.


 




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