Star of David, Cross, etc....

How is this as a response to the recent appearance of post WW-II swastika pens
after the Chicago show from South America? Waterman never made a swastika pen
....only Parker did (and decades before WW II)!

http://members.aol.com/repairpens/ju...ian/index.html




Are religious symbols now so taboo that people think the swastika is less
controversial??!! I still think a post WW-II swastika pen is in incredibly bad
taste.

I read somewhere the word swastika in reference to a pen, but no picture. I
was sure it was just coincidence but I guess they actually did put swastikas
on pens?! How about a pen with a crescent moon on it? A Buddah (though, I
guess, Buddhism is more of a state of being than a religion?)?
Richard

"Scaupaug" wrote in message
...
How is this as a response to the recent appearance of post WW-II swastika
pens
after the Chicago show from South America? Waterman never made a swastika
pen
...only Parker did (and decades before WW II)!

http://members.aol.com/repairpens/ju...ian/index.html




Are religious symbols now so taboo that people think the swastika is less
controversial??!! I still think a post WW-II swastika pen is in
incredibly bad
taste.

I read somewhere the word swastika in reference to a pen, but no picture. I
was sure it was just coincidence but I guess they actually did put swastikas
on pens?!

http://www.penopoly.com/files/waterm...2_swastika.jpg

In article ,
"marlinspike" wrote:

I read somewhere the word swastika in reference to a pen, but no
picture. I was sure it was just coincidence but I guess they
actually did put swastikas on pens?! How about a pen with a
crescent moon on it? A Buddah (though, I guess, Buddhism is more of
a state of being than a religion?)?

I remember reading that Montblanc pens sold to Islamic countires lack
the bird poop as it could be construed to resemble the Star of David.
I have no idea if that's really true or just myth.

A Buddha (meaning "awakened one" and not necessarily referring to the
historical Siddhartha Gautama- there are many Buddhas) would be tough
to make meaningful on a pen as a simple outline, although one could
engrave (or maki-e) one of the famous Buddha statues from many places
in the world. Like most religions, Buddhism has many symbols that
would be more easily rendered.

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message news:timmcn-
I remember reading that Montblanc pens sold to Islamic countires lack
the bird poop as it could be construed to resemble the Star of David.
I have no idea if that's really true or just myth.

I think it's a myth. I know in pre-revolution Iran (which may not have been
an Islamic country, but was predominently Muslim), the Mont Blancs had the
mountain top.
Richard

Nathan,

I'm confused. Your first post stated,

"Waterman never made a swastika pen...only Parker did (and decades before WW
II)!"

Your second post linked to a jpg listed as a Waterman:

http://www.penopoly.com/files/waterm...2_swastika.jpg

Please, help.

Mark Z.
just looking for info. and elucidation

marlinspike wrote:

"Tim McNamara" wrote in message news:timmcn-
I remember reading that Montblanc pens sold to Islamic countires lack
the bird poop as it could be construed to resemble the Star of David.
I have no idea if that's really true or just myth.

I think it's a myth. I know in pre-revolution Iran (which may not have been
an Islamic country, but was predominently Muslim), the Mont Blancs had the
mountain top.


Nope. Or I should say I have seen several Mt Blancs without any logo on
the cap top at all. In every case I was told for Arab countries. I've
also seen a couple with a five pointed star, also for the same reasons
to avoid a Star of David look. Im sure Mt Blanc varied things over the
years depending on the country and reactions to the logo. Then there
are the WW2 Mt Blancs with the Swastika in the cap top. But let's not
go there again... Frank

And then there are the MB's with a straight line through the bird poop which
also was an attempt to avoid a Star of David look.

Scott

Nope. Or I should say I have seen several Mt Blancs without any logo on
the cap top at all. In every case I was told for Arab countries. I've
also seen a couple with a five pointed star, also for the same reasons
to avoid a Star of David look. Im sure Mt Blanc varied things over the
years depending on the country and reactions to the logo. Then there
are the WW2 Mt Blancs with the Swastika in the cap top. But let's not
go there again... Frank

mz wrote:

Nathan,

I'm confused. Your first post stated,

"Waterman never made a swastika pen...only Parker did (and decades before WW
II)!"

Nathan does nice stuff but he often does not make clear its pens he is
making in his home. Currently. They are in no way shape or form pens
made by Waterman, Parker or anyone else other than him. Yes, he uses
parts from those pens, but they are altered, in fact, simply home made
pens. Nice work but no one should ever think of them as pens made by
any company other than the Nathan Tardiff company. They are not and
never will be or should be really called Waterman or Parker pens. Frank

Frank wrote...

Nathan does nice stuff but he often does not make clear its pens he is
making in his home. Currently. They are in no way shape or form pens
made by Waterman, Parker or anyone else other than him. Yes, he uses
parts from those pens, but they are altered, in fact, simply home made
pens. Nice work but no one should ever think of them as pens made by
any company other than the Nathan Tardiff company. They are not and
never will be or should be really called Waterman or Parker pens. Frank

Thanks, Frank. I thought I'd missed something.

Mark Z.